@ManAnimal well technicaly even with the government aid it's gotten it's still not quite a monopoly but it's damn close

it's hard to monopolize on the internet

true. but 'gov aid' isnt' always a bad thing. in fact, it is the ONLY way a gov can operate with a free market

It's more of a cornered market.

the 'ideal' gov simply takes money from one interest and pays it towards another interest of competing interest

Technically social media isn't operating as a monopoly.

They are operating in cohoots, though.

@SageTheory government doesn't break up monoplies either, atleast not the ones that are bed with government which is practicaly all of your fortune 500 and up companies today

so if people vote they would like more public transit rather than cars, i charge a premium for driving the cars and every dollar from that goes ONLY to public transit. zero sum

Yes that's a problem

TELL ME HOW ANCAPS WILL HANDLE IT THO.

@ManAnimal if companies are recieing government subsidies it's no longer a free market

so i don't make cars 'illegal' i just compartmentalize and by doing so, i encourage investment in trainsit tech which makes the cost come down

we aren't talking about companies

follow my example

don't make up your own and say it doesnt work; focus on my example and tell me how it doesn't work

i never mention a company receiving a subsidy

The resting argument of AnCap seems to be that the gov't enables bad habits due to favoritism and nepotism.

Because saying no govt = no monopolies is false and also it's not so bad to where it's crippling the economy.

i said the gov pays for trains with dollars raised by taxing car owners

@SageTheory AnCaps handle it by not handling it, monoplies simply form less with out government, AnCaps don't promise there wont be any but there will certainly be far less

the gov pays a compnay for a product (trains) just like any other customer

xD

Okay

exactly Laucvioui

So they don't have an answer

they focus on the shit implementation

We just have to take their word.

rather than comparing ideal to ideal first

Alright, the thing about as said monopolies still form.. and have even more power than they would under mixed economies.

corruption is everywhere, we know. but ideally, for the sake of comparison, we pretend it doesn't exist so we can assess the merits of ancap vs republic

They would nothing would stop them. Even though we have monopolies only a few really get away with forming them.

(@ManAnimal "Capitalism hasn't been done right, yet." I know what you mean, but it falls into the same problem as the fierce Communists there.)

not sure what you mean exactly but i do agree in general

@ManAnimal the biggest corruption is seen between corporate back room deals with government

eliminate government you take away alot of the corruption

Thing is that sans wider gov't anti-trust laws in place gets to the same badness.

the KEY difference is that while i can describe the ideal mechanisms of capitalism they cannot describe the ideal mechanisms of communism

I'll give you that.. ergo why I caveated I know what you mean.

capitalism rests of 'capital being a storage of value' and any implementation would lay along a spectrum of how well it acheives that metric

ah, ok