Message from @Terry Arcona

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2019-07-12 06:02:44 UTC  

don't make up your own and say it doesnt work; focus on my example and tell me how it doesn't work

2019-07-12 06:03:03 UTC  

i never mention a company receiving a subsidy

2019-07-12 06:03:03 UTC  

The resting argument of AnCap seems to be that the gov't enables bad habits due to favoritism and nepotism.

2019-07-12 06:03:08 UTC  

Because saying no govt = no monopolies is false and also it's not so bad to where it's crippling the economy.

2019-07-12 06:03:32 UTC  

i said the gov pays for trains with dollars raised by taxing car owners

2019-07-12 06:03:37 UTC  

@SageTheory AnCaps handle it by not handling it, monoplies simply form less with out government, AnCaps don't promise there wont be any but there will certainly be far less

2019-07-12 06:03:50 UTC  

the gov pays a compnay for a product (trains) just like any other customer

2019-07-12 06:03:53 UTC  

xD

2019-07-12 06:03:55 UTC  

Okay

2019-07-12 06:04:19 UTC  

exactly Laucvioui

2019-07-12 06:04:21 UTC  

So they don't have an answer

2019-07-12 06:04:29 UTC  

they focus on the shit implementation

2019-07-12 06:04:38 UTC  

We just have to take their word.

2019-07-12 06:04:40 UTC  

rather than comparing ideal to ideal first

2019-07-12 06:04:49 UTC  

Alright, the thing about as said monopolies still form.. and have even more power than they would under mixed economies.

2019-07-12 06:05:36 UTC  

corruption is everywhere, we know. but ideally, for the sake of comparison, we pretend it doesn't exist so we can assess the merits of ancap vs republic

2019-07-12 06:05:39 UTC  

They would nothing would stop them. Even though we have monopolies only a few really get away with forming them.

2019-07-12 06:06:07 UTC  

(@ManAnimal "Capitalism hasn't been done right, yet." I know what you mean, but it falls into the same problem as the fierce Communists there.)

2019-07-12 06:06:52 UTC  

not sure what you mean exactly but i do agree in general

2019-07-12 06:06:53 UTC  

@ManAnimal the biggest corruption is seen between corporate back room deals with government

2019-07-12 06:07:11 UTC  

eliminate government you take away alot of the corruption

2019-07-12 06:07:18 UTC  

Thing is that sans wider gov't anti-trust laws in place gets to the same badness.

2019-07-12 06:07:26 UTC  

the KEY difference is that while i can describe the ideal mechanisms of capitalism they cannot describe the ideal mechanisms of communism

2019-07-12 06:08:14 UTC  

I'll give you that.. ergo why I caveated I know what you mean.

2019-07-12 06:08:18 UTC  

capitalism rests of 'capital being a storage of value' and any implementation would lay along a spectrum of how well it acheives that metric

2019-07-12 06:08:37 UTC  

ah, ok

2019-07-12 06:08:47 UTC  

@Terry Arcona what qualities would a society have to have for it to count as anarcho-capitalist

2019-07-12 06:08:56 UTC  

hey,, I thought you died last month?

2019-07-12 06:09:16 UTC  

@Terry Arcona Most of us are trying to find out how to make AnCap work, TBH.

2019-07-12 06:09:19 UTC  

my heart did

2019-07-12 06:09:25 UTC  

In fact read up on Rockefeller he accomplished his monopoly with colliding with other companies.

2019-07-12 06:09:38 UTC  

I really want the idea to be functional... but I just don't see how.

2019-07-12 06:09:59 UTC  

personally, I would LOVE to be the electrical engineer that developed the first cloaking device and create Galt's Gulch with it

2019-07-12 06:10:06 UTC  

but... Dreams vs Reality

2019-07-12 06:10:12 UTC  

be sure not to confuse

2019-07-12 06:10:47 UTC  

As I've said numerous times is/ought.

2019-07-12 06:11:11 UTC  

the idea doesn't really seem coherent to me

2019-07-12 06:11:23 UTC  

also, how about this observation: "I swear by my life and my love of it, that I shall never work solely for the sake of another man...."

2019-07-12 06:11:26 UTC  

Ought AnCap be able to function in ideal? Yes. Is humanity able to make it so? As Death in June just said.. doesn't seem to be.

2019-07-12 06:11:36 UTC  

^^^ can this saying be applied to both MEN and WOMEN?

2019-07-12 06:11:36 UTC  

i don't agree with the first part