but what WILL be or what is sustainable tommorrow has no value to the market

it will consume it self if it profitable and will never realize the inevitable cliff until the fall begins

@SageTheory they will have a much harder time when there is so much competition, the free market is not kind to monopolies

that is an oxymoron

if you have COMPETITION

you have no MONOPOLY

Except we've seen that going completely hands free *is* kind to monopolies.

Rockefeller bought out all his competition. Nothing stops that in Ancap world.

The industrial revolution EG Rockefeller, Carnegie and so on shows us that.

well, not really because.... now that interest rates are artifical and money is fiat

not real capitalism

(i know, i know)

The only reason people don't do that now is anti monopoly laws otherwise they'd be more common.

(Still not arguing against it.. . once we moved to fiat currency... capitalism breaks.)

but in truth, we have changed the very basis of the mechanism that makes capitalism function

Derivatives destroy markets. Period

Besides the few that the govt doesn't crack down on

Only GOD should be able to create something from nothing

not banks

And this is true in An__CAP__, too.

@SageTheory a bigger richer company could do that but then more competition would arise

lol

and once derivatives were allowed, it became possible to PROFIT from the COLLAPSE/FAILURE of a company

And be absorbed by said monopoly.

that is the opposite of capitalism

it's exploitation, plain and simple

Which, again, we've seen repeatedly and is why anti-trust laws are needed.

They exist they need to be enforced

but anti-trusst laws won't help competitiion

they will only penalize monopolies

@SageTheory and despite the anti monopoly laws monopolies still formed and continue to form today

not always the same

They try to make the playing field more even, though.

yeah so did affirmative action

lol

we see how that works

Once again a select few and I'm not saying it's not a problem

Affirmative Action is equal outcome.

@Laucivol exactly, it's not real capitalism once fiat is introduced

well the problem is now, with the FED, it is more profitable to simply move money around than to actually PRODUCE, or SAVE/INVEST

First step is some how ween off of fiat.