certainly somethings never change with people but our tech has

maybe ultimatly that's what will save advanced civilsations while we still live high on the hog so to speak

factionalism you say, interesting

ah ok I see so it doesn't matter weather they 1st or 3rd world nations, both has it but the 1st world ones with more power and influence get destoryed on the inside do to no external threat

very interesting

I don't think there's any solution to this though because if a nation is to poor and weak to defend it self from external threat they just get taken over and if it's to powerful that it doesn't have to worry about it factionalism comes into play

didn't national socilists of Germany try that?

didn't work to well for them

what is harmful decay to you?

perhaps this is why Mexico doesn't collaspse beyond being almost 3rd world in nature, they also value tradition nearly unaimously accross the country

don't ask me why that is though it was only an observation that I didn't bother to reserch in more detail lol

yea I can see that

haha sometimes blissful ignorance is preferable man, can't argue with that, the more knowlege I gain sometimes the more hopless I become

we certainly have a mess on our hands and it's only getting worse

you would think the internet with it's wealth of information could put a stop to this process but it doesn't seem enough people reserch the right things

maybe we can

of course like all things enough people have to be made aware or taught some how

well we need gurus

only one guru?

probably wont happen, in todays age many have taken it upon them selves to learn

and to be the barrer of knowlege and or guidance

I would say that this wouldn't be true if everyone could truly become enlightend but I don't think that's possible

we probably would have seen it by now if it were given the easy access to information now

I don't think we'll ever go back to a time of that much ignorance

you'd have to wipe out the last 100 years of technology for that happen if not more

once again probably a dead end religion is dying in 1st world nations

people are also learning how to question dogma at a rather startling rate

well if the economy can not be sustained and a tech utopia doesn't come about to ever increasing automation at cheaper and cheaper costs to the consumer then you might have a shot

not entirly I'm famliar with discussions like this from talking with/ debating neo reractionaries that while they are different then your self, have enough simiuarlaires and belive in a cylical world view that this isn't completly new/ foreign or "insane ramabling" to me, well it is new sort of your take is unique from theirs but you know what I mean.

I find it interesting more than anything els

I'm not a history buff, aside from knowing the past 200 years of history failrly well and even some revisionst history of that period I know next to nothing about monarchies or civilisations prior, my extent of knowlege about rome is only what I've seen in movies

neo reactionaires believe in furthering the decline as fast as possible, they hate democracey and believe we should go back to a feudal/ monarchal type system, some are theocracts as well but I would say that's the minorty of them, most want to see a sort of neo feudalism where free market capitalism and monarchy meet in a sort of merger that's never existed before, a select few wish for only limted markets and the advancment of technology to be huated at it's current level though

lol yea you can almost count on it

later man

good chat

fuck the state

AnComs suck

AnCaps in the house!

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interesting

is a puffy anuse something that can be traded or shared?

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pretty much

rich entrepenur, self suffcient, well armed, black suit with yellow bat

@Jonathan The Shaman would it help your cause if I got you contact with actual libertarian politians?

@Jonathan The Shaman of course I can, I wonder how'd you approch a conversation with one of them

@Jonathan The Shaman well the two that I know of are voluntaryist politicians so there's no real need to convince them of the possition, however if you wanted their help in marketing what you have going here then you would have alot to talk about

@Jonathan The Shaman I'll see what I can arange on discord VC, but if I do this you are going to have to actually talk man

all to offten I see you in there and you're quiet and don't say much

'lol

more like he needs gogo pills

seems to be half of government politicians are into kids anymore

damn sickos

and yet the american populace still puts up with them

Shaman is high tonight

AnCaps in the house!

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@cαĸǝ🍰шʌίғυ always knew pikachu was an AnCap

pika PIKA taxation is theft chuuuuuu!

anyone els like to look in the toilet after they poop?

lol

sounds like you had alot of gas then

pooper scooper

super duper pooper

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reminds me how they eat guiny pigs in several latin american countries

voluntaryists in the house!

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free market time ya'll!

talk about them free markets ya'll

woot woot

yea we certainly have a lack of them today that's for sure

but they're not free

nope not even close, quite far from it really

you could probably fill an entire library with the amount of government business regulation that's on the books now dude

so yea not a free market, nothing close to a free market

well you're stupid not to support business

and acidental death can be prevented by free market/ voluntary means just as easily

what do you think government is?

that's the biggest damn concentration of power there is

so don't start harping on concentrations of power unless you're also going to harp on about government

no we're talking

atleast we have some places we can agree

egh not as good as voluntaryism but it's a step in the right direction I'll give you that

well taxation is also immoral

you realise something as simple as a small group of people trading among them selves is a market right?

yep you can't centraly plan a market economy it will fail everytime and only make things worse not better

poor snek

snek just wants the markets to be free

is that to much to ask?

NO STEP ON SNEK!

Hoppeans are strange....

I kind of understand there justification but when deeply analized I think their logic falls apart in my opnion

ok so the Hoppean would say that everyone that's been participating in the government system thus far has some stake in everything because there own tax dollars went to the creation and or up keep of various lands, roads, parks ect

so in absence the state these very same things people would have shares in like a corporation of sorts and just like you have a vested interest in what you own so to would you in all liklyhood want to protect these things through voluntary means

essently the Hoppean would expect people to voluntarily fund private border securty

that's why it falls apart when you really pick at it

you either A. have to accept that all border land is some how privatly owned by these companies and not a single bit of it would go to indivdual property owners. B. assume that even if idivdual property owners owned parts of the land they all would act in the same way and some how uphold certain border norms regardless of self interest. or C. admit that Hoppeanism isn't actually libertarnism at all and there's a certain amount of central planning and authority involved with in it.