Message from @Aki
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Pro Collectivization and Pro Socialist Historical Revisionism
at the very least
Well except you are clarly making moral judgments from that pespective.
I'm pro historical revisionism in general
in favor of a certain ideology
in favor of historical reality
..from an ideologically beneficial point of view
great... "for consitency sake" no genocide happens
grand position
that's not the reason behind it
history is narrative building, it isn't usually presented completely false
you just hide certain facts
like Holodomor
and they go away from collective memory and discourse
ok?
This is one of the limitations of this platform, one person can easily derail any conversation happening prior.
"The statistical distribution of famine's victims among the ethnicities closely reflects the ethnic distribution of the rural population of Ukraine.[99] Moldavian, Polish, German, and Bulgarian population that mostly resided in the rural communities of Ukraine suffered in the same proportion as the rural Ukrainian population.[99]"
"Total deaths Vary from 3.3 to 7.5 million, see death tool"
Stern's distinction between "bad peasants" and "good peasants" is subservience to the marxist order. Note that today's marxists (most of whom don't realize that they are marxists) think much the same of the "bigoted" working class.
Interesting.
don't worry about it, it was the weather that caused the famine, not collectivization. - @Xinyue
I did not actually say the weather caused the famine
but whatever, Storm's gonna Storm
@Xinyue now i know that you will just lie straight faced 😄
I said there were many reasons for why the famine happened, such as
a) the industrial level of Russia and Ukraine at the time
b) the complications in the collectivisation process, such as the kulaks killing their livestock
c) other factors such as the weather variables at the time, which are cited by sometimes by famine researchers
I said from the get-go that it was an event that had multiple causes and it can't be totally reduced to the Soviet government, *much less* any murderous intent on the part of the Soviets
yes
many reasons
i never said that weather was the cause
thanks for quote-confirming me
i would NEVER
>the complications in the collectivisation process, such as the kulaks killing their livestock
people protested when their livelihood was forcibly removed by the system
shock: imagined
weather probably played some effect, although I think the crop sabotage and livestock killing was probably primary
@Xinyue u wot m8
Welp... wiki is a mastersource in debates.
historical revisionism 0 wiki 1
I still did not say that the weather caused the famine, your statement from here is incorrect
```don't worry about it, it was the weather that caused the famine, not collectivization. - @not gay reddit```
You made the claim that I did; I never did