Ok, so here’s my two cents on the question of the day. The role of the state in society should be roughly the following:

a) ensure the existence of the proletarian dictatorship
b) enforce the constitution and the rights and duties enshrined therein
c) provide reasonable defence capability against any existential threats
d) perform necessary tasks and initiatives that go beyond the ability of non-state actors to perform

And not anything beyond this.

kek

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I could settle for ChristCom tbh, but *only* if there's nothing else 😁

in all seriousness tho

imagine being a christian in 2018

me no gets it

both the unironic and the cultural Christians elude my ability to understand as to why they do it

I mean I wouldn't rally Europe behind Christianity, it'd be much preferable to rally it behind Stoicism imo but eh

Christianity is woefully inadequate for the post 19th century world outlook, and I think the Church has been fighting a losing battle on that front

*kind of.* probably in the sense that you might consider it. i think of myself as a naturalistic pantheist, which in the final analysis is basically just a glorified atheism

i don't believe in anything beyond this material universe

very, very homosexual, no doubt

hot take

no but really guys, being an adherent of 4,000 year old tribal desert death cult is not good optics, the West should discard Christianity altogether

100%

Dialectical Materialism.

😁

nah, I have a few historical picks for that. Stoicism should do well

materialism is wonderful

esp. the dialectical/historical kind 😉

capitalism doesn't have an ontology really

so its not really materialist

no, no

there's nothing inherently materialist about capitalism

Wew, communist faggot OWNED by FACTS and LOGIC

mfw on suicide watch

the MAIN POINT IS

Christianity is fake

and gay

Just briefly on the capitalism is not materialist thing. Materialism is a philosophical position about the existence and nature of the objective world - Marxism takes a staunchly materialist stance on this (that is to say, it affirms its existence and its position as primary to consciousness and not the other way around). Capitalism, however, I think doesn't have this kind of stance. This is what I mean when I say that capitalism isn't inherently materialist.

@Bearer Of The Curse Well yes, that sounds quite pantheistic of you and, on that front, our views would seem to align. By extension, the struggle of genes - taking place in the literal body of god, in pantheistic frame - could be considered "divine". However, this is vulgar reading in my view. The way I see is that every living being - man, animal, etc. - is in essence an "avatar" (for the lack of a better word) of this pantheistic matter-energy totality. And then the truly divine aspect of it all is creative cooperation and joyful coexistence of these many myriad "avatars" (again, for the lack of a better word).

Life? Many things. Too many to count or list

fungi is life, yes

no, that's not quite right

we'd be aspects of god, not god in its totality

and with naturalistic pantheism its literally just scientific view on the universe + some human existential sentimentality, so hardly even that theistic

I mean there are many ways to view the universe, one of them is your default atheist position, which denies any kind of divinity, and the other way is to view the universe and the matter-energy totality and life within it as the divine item. I belong to the latter camp. Fedoras or not.

God certainly isn't necessary consideration in the equation. But neither is him lacking from it.

As for free will, that debate is up in the air. But it would seem like we don't have it.

bible barely makes sense

@FreshWholeMilk that would apply to all of us. so the correct answer is that nobody wins in the subjective sense.

Bible makes very little sense indeed. And, say what you say of science, but its findings make a whole lot more sense.

can you substantiate that claim though?

no I am not freely choosing to make these arguments, of course not. It might *appear* as though I do, but in fact there are millions of factors that determine that I, in this moment, perform this activity and not some other

> individualism is the best ok <:ree:520000441036046336>

no. collectivism is better

^

collectivism is epic.

death to liberalistism

nope

^

isn't purpose always assigned though? its hardly inherent in things

```i live in one of the few remaining conservative strongholds of canada
it's gotten bad```

well duh, its a conservative stronghold. of course its bad 😄

```But the problem is no two people view truth the same```

Yeah, something that is the awkward but necessary byproduct of living in a relativistic universe. Now, I think that while there *is* one unifying truth, no two observers can realistically ever see it the same way. We only perceive echoes of the truth, and the closest we get to truth is by combining our perspectives and ideas, combined with trial and error.

bible is full of inconsistencies, to a point that it can be best described as a gestalt collection of subjectivist ramblings of several subsequent Levantine generations

human morality ultimately stems from our material reality and conditions - that includes stage of development, degree of scarcity and, yes, genes as well

the genome of man is probably unified in form enough for it to produce roughly similar ethical societies with slight variations here and there

so we can't say that we get our morality from the bible

we don't

its more the case that bible gets its morality from the material basis of man and his environment

> But you cannot derive a coherent moral system from an atheistic worldview

of course you can

morality exists pertaining to the relations between two or more people - or, in an expanded sense, it exists pertaining to the relations between two or more *sentient beings.*

as long as you have two or more sentient beings, moral frameworks for the organisations of their relationship can be - and always have been -devised

no god needed

Because of the shared factor of sentience - we are of the same cloth, of the same essence, as it pertains to mental activity. Severe hurt is something you and me both experience; and it is painful. It is, therefore, an affront to conscious existence no matter what observer you would focus on. Its a universal experiential evil.

No god needed.

I would take the opportunity to remind that Africa is a huge continent. "They" is a bit too unspecific 😂 what country, what region, what tribe are we talking about?

hmmm

that country went to shit didn't it

@Bearer Of The Curse but we are all born for motive - that is, those of our parents. Its not our own, but its still a motive. The impulse to breed and exist which is inherent to all life since the emergence of the most simple of self-replicating molecules is the motive, and it exists in every living thing.

China is gay

China should get promptly nuked tbh

its not fake @Bearer Of The Curse it exists all the same. And "machines" we are in any case, whether or not God exists. If God exists, it would only mean that we are *created machines,* as opposed to *uncreated ones*

and that distinction isn't very meaningful to me

embrace the truth of atheism 😄

the yellow vests are interesting, both far-left and far-right in those

The really truly meaningful part is that, the world exists, *and we create our own meaning in it.* That, my friend, is the true divine aspect of our existence if there was ever going to be one

Soviet philosophy btw was mad deep and they needed absolutely no god to come up with it

and it should be considered that the Soviet philosophy had ample space for meaning

it was a large focus point

no no it was all quite consistent

I've read the Fundamentals for example

and it is a good reflection of what they were going for,

what they were trying to do

well have you read the Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism? 😋

no XD

its not that there is objective morality or strictly subjective one, but its more that there exists a relativistic morality, which does have objective basis (in the body, its genes, its memory, etc) from which it arises, but that its relative from body to body. so its in a sense both objective and subjective at the same time.

well, knowledge does greatly influence it, but the appropriate neurobiology being absent, knowledge will not yield us morality

so its not the primary item

its a major factor though

well yes

I can agree with that latest summation

biology serves as the necessary foundation, but from there information complexity begins to take the leading role

lol

tfw in the ML quadrant

but you should be

embrace it

Bolsonaro is horrendous 😩

good lord

Communism will win

> untermensch

more like ÜBERMENCH

ha!

ha-ha

ok I'll show myself out

@The Big Oof unfortunate, but true. global capitalism is set to dominate

and with automation and entrance of administrative as well as military AI, I fear that its consolidation will this time be permanent

> fashbol

ooh

tbh Mosleyite philosophy tends to fall into what I call "Left-Fascism", its something I might be able to tolerate