Message from @Aki
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Then rephrase it.
@Xinyue nicely ignored the point as always, you stand on weak ground here so you have to constantly do that
kulaks were actively killed by the government, the peasants that starved to death was from a famine
imagine my shock
and the grain was exported from the region.
@AdorableStormtrooper you literally made a point that did not go anywhere
I fixed it, in the only way to make the point work
and then it defeated itself
bravo π
if you deconstruct it to its base level, then yes.
@Xinyue you made a non argument with soviet propaganda
so i Drew a comparison with other Propaganda
So you make no point in the end.
there's grain exported out of areas that have famines all the time
Lol
no, i made an argument from the economic data available at the time, which mind you is the *only data we have* - you on the other hand have no data, none whatsoever, to fall back on @AdorableStormtrooper
instead of seeing the general point, you hung up on the comparison as always @Xinyue
bravo on thatπ
the comparison was fucking dumb so of course I corrected it
@Xinyue economic data that they burnt stock, why? in protest of policies that you support but that doesn't matter
How the hell does me saying that the 600K-700K people killed under USSR is a moral failure, *translate into I use Soviet propaganda?*
them protesting isn't what caused the famine mate, the new collectivized farms weren't as productive
plus whatever was grown was sent to the cities
are you saying that burning grain and killing livestock during a famine is justified just because you dont like the policy @AdorableStormtrooper
If anything that's me delivering an indictment on USSR based on the data we have
you will never address any of these points
just keep saying no argument
You have provided no argument this is true
Ehhhh that is why you do not talk with commies....
just "but why did they kill livestock ehehehehe? it was because muh Sobiets wasn't it"
I preety much proved every point I wanted to make.
you will keep saying that no matter how many times i present an argument π
asking for clarification
The kulaks killed livestock and sabotaged crops, they were instrumental in causing the famine
even mainstream historians, or sovietologists of the most recent generation, accept this
what historians
That the famine in Ukraine was inflenced by economic policies of Stalin.