Message from @Aki
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```and mind you, they lived in socialist system. its not like they'd be left to hang with no food or shelter. they'd get their share. they just hated the Soviet system so much that they'd rather burn it all to ground in Ukraine than to give the filthy proles to have any```
oh clearly, what happened after their liquidation is the evidence that they'd have definitely gotten their food
their food would definitely not be sent to the cities
and that *is* indeniable, we do know that the Soviets killed the kulaks in response of their obstructionism that led to the famine and this was a moral failing
"we know Nazis invaded Poland because Polish were mistrating ethnic Germans in Poland"
not the same thing, even remotely
@Stern "The statistical distribution of famine's victims among the ethnicities closely reflects the ethnic distribution of the rural population of Ukraine.[99] Moldavian, Polish, German, and Bulgarian population that mostly resided in the rural communities of Ukraine suffered in the same proportion as the rural Ukrainian population.[99]" "Total deaths Vary from 3.3 to 7.5 million, see death toll" But hey only Kulaks died.
but keep drawing pointless connections Storm
it was used as a reason
we get it mate
there's always a reason that's given for these things
what I said was that the Soviets killing kulaks was a *moral failing*
so your comparison doesn't even work
these were small time farmers most of them who soviets called Bourgeoisie and threatened to take away everything from them
they protested
not the only ones that died
Mate you make no claim.
let me put it the way it would actually go if you wanted to strike a comparison @AdorableStormtrooper
"Nazis invading Poland despite the mistreatment of ethnic Germans was a moral failure on the part of the Nazis"
there, fixed it
make you make no claim
wut
ok
Make a claim.
i already have
Then rephrase it.
@Xinyue nicely ignored the point as always, you stand on weak ground here so you have to constantly do that
kulaks were actively killed by the government, the peasants that starved to death was from a famine
imagine my shock
and the grain was exported from the region.
@AdorableStormtrooper you literally made a point that did not go anywhere
I fixed it, in the only way to make the point work
and then it defeated itself
bravo 👏
if you deconstruct it to its base level, then yes.
@Xinyue you made a non argument with soviet propaganda
so i Drew a comparison with other Propaganda
So you make no point in the end.
there's grain exported out of areas that have famines all the time
Lol
no, i made an argument from the economic data available at the time, which mind you is the *only data we have* - you on the other hand have no data, none whatsoever, to fall back on @AdorableStormtrooper
instead of seeing the general point, you hung up on the comparison as always @Xinyue