we get it mate

there's always a reason that's given for these things

what I said was that the Soviets killing kulaks was a *moral failing*

so your comparison doesn't even work

these were small time farmers most of them who soviets called Bourgeoisie and threatened to take away everything from them

they protested

@Aki only kulaks were actively killed by the government

not the only ones that died

Mate you make no claim.

let me put it the way it would actually go if you wanted to strike a comparison @AdorableStormtrooper

"Nazis invading Poland despite the mistreatment of ethnic Germans was a moral failure on the part of the Nazis"

there, fixed it

make you make no claim

wut

*mate

ok

Make a claim.

i already have

Then rephrase it.

@Xinyue nicely ignored the point as always, you stand on weak ground here so you have to constantly do that

kulaks were actively killed by the government, the peasants that starved to death was from a famine

imagine my shock

and the grain was exported from the region.

@AdorableStormtrooper you literally made a point that did not go anywhere

I fixed it, in the only way to make the point work

and then it defeated itself

bravo 👏

if you deconstruct it to its base level, then yes.

@Xinyue you made a non argument with soviet propaganda

so i Drew a comparison with other Propaganda

So you make no point in the end.

there's grain exported out of areas that have famines all the time

Lol

no, i made an argument from the economic data available at the time, which mind you is the *only data we have* - you on the other hand have no data, none whatsoever, to fall back on @AdorableStormtrooper

instead of seeing the general point, you hung up on the comparison as always @Xinyue

bravo on that👍

the comparison was fucking dumb so of course I corrected it

Welp so @Xinyue what do you think about the level of honesty presented by @Stern

just curious

@Xinyue economic data that they burnt stock, why? in protest of policies that you support but that doesn't matter

How the hell does me saying that the 600K-700K people killed under USSR is a moral failure, *translate into I use Soviet propaganda?*

them protesting isn't what caused the famine mate, the new collectivized farms weren't as productive

plus whatever was grown was sent to the cities