mhmm

@Katherine

Also you claim to be a Marxist but you proceed to say "currency is necessary" while Marx explicitly sought that communism was the abolishment of capital altogether

@ego_sum_jeffum

I said currency was necessary before full communism

@Katherine that is not true. Workers can be their own masters without the need for a state

Once scarcity is gone we don't need any form of currency

@Марко example?

Scarcity will never be gone, but resources can be conserved.

Revolutionary Catalonia, Paris Commune, etc

@Марко A non-worker comes to the factory and wants to use it to make a different kind of toy than the workers want. What happens?

The Ukranian Free Territory

Scarcity can be gone

Explain why you think that

And btw everything you mentioned weren't anarchist

@Katherine if he labors to make the toy then he is a worker

And thus owns the MOP along with the other workers

Rather simple

NAP

@Марко He wasn't laboring before. He came into the factory, shoved other workers aside, and began to make toys.

reminds me of ancaps

How do you "shove them aside"

Lol what

Do the other workers no longer own the factory because they were forced to stop working?

Anarchism in general

Who forced them to stop working?

The person who wanted to make a different thing who wasn't working before

We'll call them Person A

Aha, attack the capitalist, not me

Marxist-Leninists are Capitalists though (^:

haaaaaaaaaaa ^

The individual is free to individually own their own MOP if the workers of an existing factory do not wish to make the same toy as him @Katherine

All anarchists are capitalist xxxxxxddddd

I can say something ridiculous like that

And get away with it as any anarchist

MLs are state capitalists

It's not ridiculous

It's a meme

"Muh State capitalism"

In regards to Marxism Leninism it is true

You can't argue with someone who denies reality

@Марко But the individual was not a worker. He literally came into the factory, forced other workers to stop working the MoP, took that MoP (began working it), and started using it differently.

Did he magically begin to own the MoP when he started working it, while the others lost ownership?

Which all anarchists seem to say ML's are state capitalists to discredit them from socialism

@Katherine How the fuck did he force all the workers without an apparatus to impose his will on the others like a state?

Workers will have magic guns of course

@Марко He did not force all the workers, he forced some working on a definite section. He can still try. What happens when he tries? Do the workers defend themselves? Do they coerce Person A to keep him from forcing the workers out?

I think you're simply misunderstanding how worker controlled MOP works

And Anarchist theory in general

*marxist Leninist

Anarchists have done nothing good

Do we magically assume no one disagrees with regard to how a given set of the MoP ought to be used?

I have

And it will continue that way

I am a god.

@Katherine then the workers of an MOP can democratically decide how to run their own workplace and you are free to associate or not associate

Democratic vote is literally an instrument to exclude the disagreeing minority from the majority opinion. The workers no longer all own the MoP in this case, but only the majority opinion.

*consensus Democracy

Should have specified

so then we assume they all agree?

Democratic centralism

Dictatorship of the proletariat

Accept it

If they don't they are free to associate or not and control their own MOP or associate with another group of individuals @Katherine

@Марко So then they're free to get excluded from their "ownership" if they disagree with the majority opinion. You have not solved the problem by appending the word "consensus" to the word "democracy".

How do you decide what section of the MoP an individual owns?

(we can pass over in silence regarding the implicit smuggling in of private property here)

@Katherine they're not being excluded from their own ownership. If they no longer work the MOP then they no longer should control it. Whether or not they choose to is up to the individual to freely decide for themself. Also, in regards to controlling a workplace, consensus ultimately would be the best solution. While as I have said they don't have to work that MOP. They can choose to freely associate with whoever they choose or even own an MOP individually and once they start laboring they have rights to that MOP. If you work in factory A and you don't like how it is being run you can start factory B and run it however you and your fellow workers wish

Thanks :)

So if you work in factory A, you don't get to decide how it is run

You do, everyone participates in consensus equally

If you can't do what you want to do with the MoP you are not deciding how to run it

You have lost ownership

If everyone had consensus there literally would be no need for ownership at all

assuming it is completely abortive

Um I just wrote a whole thing and it disappeared

The fuck

Anyway

Because it got deleted

Die Partei immer recht!

As long as you still work the MOP you haven't lost ownership. You haven't lost control because you participated in the consensus equally. @Katherine

Direct democracy and accountability are the answers to ownership and some conception of"dictatorship of the majority" or something. The democracy puts people in a position of responsibility. Notice, responsibility, not authority. Accountability keeps those people in check, allowing the democracy to withdraw that person if needed, thanks to transparency. Keeping people in a rotation, as a job requires a person of responsibility, keeps anyone person from gaining or creating power. Democracy doesn't mean authority, you are confusing it with government.

^delete this, Politburo

What do you mean "participated in consensus"?

Consensus is a state of being where everyone agrees

It is not a process

I'm referring to the process by which you reach consensus, consensus democracy

What a joke.

All of the worker's opinions would be shared and discussed until consensus could be reached

And if it can't?

that's the problem

what if it can't

"they leave"

welp, there you go, exclusion.

Dab on the haters? <@!320354142176411649>

^^^

I will dab on ANY hater.

light my blunt honey

Cannabis is bad for your health

>when you trigger every anarchist

Muh freedom

Ego

stop being coy

It's not exclusion if you voluntarily leave lol

let everyone know how we have sex like

every other tuesday

Guys (and girls)

Anarchism or statism?

come to bed ego

Anarchism mate

and lets snuggle

And get autism

I see.

Which Logan are you?

Yeah mate we are all anarchists because it totally works

kek

`Anarchism mate
And get autism`
try a vaccination and stop transferring your authoritarian aids pls @ego_sum_jeffum

I am so sick of @ego_sum_jeffum ignoring me

Commmmmmurad

and playing coy

he's trying to hide the fact that we're lovers?

what a faker

Yes we are of course

Anarchism ftw

this isnt about idealogy

Freedom of autism

no no no

this isn't about idealogy

I will tell you

since we're litreally in the same bed rn

he's 19

How to kill a debate

This is why I hate anarchists

youre so funny babe lol

now come to bed plz

Freedom of everything

including sex

between us

Yes

You know you've triggered an anarkiddie when the autism shows

when what shows?

my god babe youre so coy tonight

whats up with u

C'est un retard

Jaky

He's just being funny

un retardé?

Oui

ego

🤔

How many languages do you speak?

0

kek

Idk

Too much

哎呦

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sq25IpRdArf6iAw/giphy.gif

> ableist slurs

Fuck off ego

I'm an inventor!

<@!320354142176411649> 哎呀啊~~~~

我会说中文，法文，英文，德语，拉丁语，日文，和西班牙语。

That took you a long time

ouch.

不是的

Ego strikes me as an edgy 12 year old who thinks Stalin was cool

***哎呀啊***

我们说中文在英文的地方

天下为华夏

bwsm

😏

不好

我住在南京

Nah

我的妈妈是南京人

<:Maoflag1:338741497610502167>

Loving this english theory

😍

How come we havent met before, Jake?

I joined today

Are you new to discord?

he's 12 weeks old

😎

same

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/308995540782284817/343734021852758018/3BB6B4F200000578-0-image-a-22_1483101155805.png?width=498&height=678

@pianoman#6135 *Meanwhile in the urals*

Lenin really followed Blanquism rather than marxism

Nigga you gay

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***shari\_qp#7700 was banned!***

holy shit took him long enough, only left enough time for the guy to make 6,000,000 sock puppets

@everyone Join our server if you'd like https://discord.gg/a5zTpKs

no dont

@Kaiser

this shit is full of nazis delet it

How dare you call me a nazi

whats going on comrades

do we give a shit about what normal alt-right pol does

They are doing some shit

its HWNDU season 6

they are gonna take down the flag

idgaf

but if trhere are any antifa comrades

who want to counter there action

here is link to there google doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nYtmJVgiKP1fTVj_VDv3aADAtO3CvRIF6FKMOzOkUQg/edit

this isn't theory

Cool shit

Kek

Hail victory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBRxt5ufnGg

Nazism wasn't bad

CIA nigger get out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Bv2MKY7uI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU7VEvuilqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=190GG5TkMLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr4dKS41Pws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIKDXFw1Rak

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

Right wing are the new SJW.

Populism is bad for both sides.

@Deleted User you're right tbh

They get triggered by videogames and tv shows

Because it shows non white cast kek

Reactionaries, am I right...

Just look at the new cod ww2 comments.

It's multiplayer. And yet they get mad because you get to play ad a black nazi girl lmao

It's fucking multiplayer

I wanna play as a black nazi girl. That sounds hilarious as shit

That's true. Populism gets you no where.

@Deleted User You have to give them credit however, at least they will get a response from the whitehouse and will get to know what they are thinking.

Idpol never changes. You just change the noun.

https://crimethinc.com/2000/09/11/your-politics-are-boring-as-fuck

egoist anarchism has been tried, see the colapse of the roman empire

anarchism is nothing more than a small period before another system anyway

And for good reasons, even a shit system beats anarchism