Message from @ego_sum_jeffum
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NAP
@Марко He wasn't laboring before. He came into the factory, shoved other workers aside, and began to make toys.
reminds me of ancaps
How do you "shove them aside"
Lol what
Do the other workers no longer own the factory because they were forced to stop working?
Anarchism in general
Who forced them to stop working?
The person who wanted to make a different thing who wasn't working before
We'll call them Person A
Aha, attack the capitalist, not me
Marxist-Leninists are Capitalists though (^:
haaaaaaaaaaa ^
The individual is free to individually own their own MOP if the workers of an existing factory do not wish to make the same toy as him @Katherine
All anarchists are capitalist xxxxxxddddd
I can say something ridiculous like that
And get away with it as any anarchist
MLs are state capitalists
It's not ridiculous
"Muh State capitalism"
In regards to Marxism Leninism it is true
You can't argue with someone who denies reality
@Марко But the individual was not a worker. He literally came into the factory, forced other workers to stop working the MoP, took that MoP (began working it), and started using it differently.
Did he magically begin to own the MoP when he started working it, while the others lost ownership?
Which all anarchists seem to say ML's are state capitalists to discredit them from socialism
@Katherine How the fuck did he force all the workers without an apparatus to impose his will on the others like a state?
Workers will have magic guns of course
@Марко He did not force all the workers, he forced some working on a definite section. He can still try. What happens when he tries? Do the workers defend themselves? Do they coerce Person A to keep him from forcing the workers out?
I think you're simply misunderstanding how worker controlled MOP works
And Anarchist theory in general
*marxist Leninist
Anarchists have done nothing good
Do we magically assume no one disagrees with regard to how a given set of the MoP ought to be used?
I have
And it will continue that way
I am a god.
@Katherine then the workers of an MOP can democratically decide how to run their own workplace and you are free to associate or not associate
Democratic vote is literally an instrument to exclude the disagreeing minority from the majority opinion. The workers no longer all own the MoP in this case, but only the majority opinion.
*consensus Democracy