Message from @ego_sum_jeffum
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Accept it
If they don't they are free to associate or not and control their own MOP or associate with another group of individuals @Katherine
@Марко So then they're free to get excluded from their "ownership" if they disagree with the majority opinion. You have not solved the problem by appending the word "consensus" to the word "democracy".
How do you decide what section of the MoP an individual owns?
(we can pass over in silence regarding the implicit smuggling in of private property here)
@Katherine they're not being excluded from their own ownership. If they no longer work the MOP then they no longer should control it. Whether or not they choose to is up to the individual to freely decide for themself. Also, in regards to controlling a workplace, consensus ultimately would be the best solution. While as I have said they don't have to work that MOP. They can choose to freely associate with whoever they choose or even own an MOP individually and once they start laboring they have rights to that MOP. If you work in factory A and you don't like how it is being run you can start factory B and run it however you and your fellow workers wish
Thanks :)
So if you work in factory A, you don't get to decide how it is run
You do, everyone participates in consensus equally
If you can't do what you want to do with the MoP you are not deciding how to run it
You have lost ownership
If everyone had consensus there literally would be no need for ownership at all
assuming it is completely abortive
Um I just wrote a whole thing and it disappeared
The fuck
Anyway
Because it got deleted
Die Partei immer recht!
As long as you still work the MOP you haven't lost ownership. You haven't lost control because you participated in the consensus equally. @Katherine
Direct democracy and accountability are the answers to ownership and some conception of"dictatorship of the majority" or something. The democracy puts people in a position of responsibility. Notice, responsibility, not authority. Accountability keeps those people in check, allowing the democracy to withdraw that person if needed, thanks to transparency. Keeping people in a rotation, as a job requires a person of responsibility, keeps anyone person from gaining or creating power. Democracy doesn't mean authority, you are confusing it with government.
What do you mean "participated in consensus"?
Consensus is a state of being where everyone agrees
It is not a process
I'm referring to the process by which you reach consensus, consensus democracy
What a joke.
All of the worker's opinions would be shared and discussed until consensus could be reached
And if it can't?
that's the problem
what if it can't
"they leave"
welp, there you go, exclusion.
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light my blunt honey
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