Message from @Katherine

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2017-08-06 04:41:46 UTC  

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2017-08-06 04:41:47 UTC  

Do the other workers no longer own the factory because they were forced to stop working?

2017-08-06 04:41:57 UTC  

Anarchism in general

2017-08-06 04:42:00 UTC  

Who forced them to stop working?

2017-08-06 04:42:10 UTC  

The person who wanted to make a different thing who wasn't working before

2017-08-06 04:42:14 UTC  

We'll call them Person A

2017-08-06 04:42:29 UTC  

Aha, attack the capitalist, not me

2017-08-06 04:42:49 UTC  

Marxist-Leninists are Capitalists though (^:

2017-08-06 04:43:06 UTC  

haaaaaaaaaaa ^

2017-08-06 04:43:20 UTC  

The individual is free to individually own their own MOP if the workers of an existing factory do not wish to make the same toy as him @Katherine

2017-08-06 04:43:25 UTC  

All anarchists are capitalist xxxxxxddddd

2017-08-06 04:43:35 UTC  

I can say something ridiculous like that

2017-08-06 04:43:47 UTC  

And get away with it as any anarchist

2017-08-06 04:43:47 UTC  

MLs are state capitalists

2017-08-06 04:43:53 UTC  

It's not ridiculous

2017-08-06 04:44:00 UTC  

It's a meme

2017-08-06 04:44:10 UTC  

"Muh State capitalism"

2017-08-06 04:44:30 UTC  

In regards to Marxism Leninism it is true

2017-08-06 04:45:02 UTC  

You can't argue with someone who denies reality

2017-08-06 04:45:06 UTC  

@Марко But the individual was not a worker. He literally came into the factory, forced other workers to stop working the MoP, took that MoP (began working it), and started using it differently.

2017-08-06 04:45:30 UTC  

Did he magically begin to own the MoP when he started working it, while the others lost ownership?

2017-08-06 04:45:36 UTC  

Which all anarchists seem to say ML's are state capitalists to discredit them from socialism

2017-08-06 04:45:47 UTC  

@Katherine How the fuck did he force all the workers without an apparatus to impose his will on the others like a state?

2017-08-06 04:46:17 UTC  

Workers will have magic guns of course

2017-08-06 04:46:43 UTC  

@Марко He did not force all the workers, he forced some working on a definite section. He can still try. What happens when he tries? Do the workers defend themselves? Do they coerce Person A to keep him from forcing the workers out?

2017-08-06 04:47:23 UTC  

I think you're simply misunderstanding how worker controlled MOP works

2017-08-06 04:47:36 UTC  

And Anarchist theory in general

2017-08-06 04:47:49 UTC  

*marxist Leninist

2017-08-06 04:48:02 UTC  

Anarchists have done nothing good

2017-08-06 04:48:07 UTC  

Do we magically assume no one disagrees with regard to how a given set of the MoP ought to be used?

2017-08-06 04:48:08 UTC  

I have

2017-08-06 04:48:10 UTC  

And it will continue that way

2017-08-06 04:48:12 UTC  

I am a god.

2017-08-06 04:48:50 UTC  

@Katherine then the workers of an MOP can democratically decide how to run their own workplace and you are free to associate or not associate

2017-08-06 04:49:32 UTC  

Democratic vote is literally an instrument to exclude the disagreeing minority from the majority opinion. The workers no longer all own the MoP in this case, but only the majority opinion.

2017-08-06 04:49:58 UTC  

*consensus Democracy

2017-08-06 04:50:09 UTC  

Should have specified

2017-08-06 04:50:12 UTC  

so then we assume they all agree?

2017-08-06 04:50:36 UTC  

Democratic centralism

2017-08-06 04:50:43 UTC  

Dictatorship of the proletariat

2017-08-06 04:50:48 UTC  

Accept it