You overestimate it.

It is nice to have elections, but I'm more about direct computerized democracy.

Elections are delegative.

okay, i actually agree with you there

People should think by themselves

wouldn't his ideas become policy with democratic decision-making, then?

you wouldn't need to put him in absolute leadership

Why not?

He understands what to do and how.

Better than you.

Masses' level of decision-making is poor.

if i read and understand what he writes, don't i understand how to do things as well as he does?

the randian "most people are stupid" argument doesn't ring with me here

if i am educated on what Steven writes, and Steven is correct, wouldn't the masses be convinced?

@post-ironic username Most people will not understand. Not sure about you.

It is too complex for masses.

i mean if a human can write something a human can understand it

it's not like the "masses" are animals that need to be lead by a shepherd.

@post-ironic username Not true. Human needs 20 years to better understand a thing.

Masses do not have so much time.

to focus on it for 20 years?

where did this number come from?

It is my personal feeling how it is. Marxism is complex. You study it more than 10 years before writing.

"It is my personal feeling how it is"

isn't this literally feels before reals?

Someone with 15-25 years in philosophy can write Marxist language.

couldn't the population, if it was simply a matter of decisionmaking instead of writing, read some kind of reductionist summary?

You are negligent thinking too much of masses.

Masses have to invest large amount of studying before they understand Marxist.

They don't have time

For this

The best should be the leader.

couldn't you incorporate it into school education then

Yes.

that's 12 years

or however long you want

Not enough in this age.

This age person is not developed completely to work like that with abstractions.

If it is possible it should be done.

proof?

i thought abstract thinking develops around age 12 or so

I thought around zero percent of people been inventive at that age.

there are quite a few young inventors. in fact, that's when people start being inventive, although at that age they don't have the economic means to do anything with those ideas.

They have zero experience with inventions and stuff.

Zero experience, no brain developed.

Worst candidate to participate in elections.

that's when they start learning though, and are able to grasp those kind of concepts.

obviously i don't think 12 year olds should vote

but i don't think you have to be 30 years old or something to understand marxism either.

Most people do not grow up even.

proof?

Discord is a proof.

lol no but seriously

Most of people here.

^

like im pretty sure unless you're diseased

you will reach the formal-operational stage of cognitive development

Operational stage to do what? What is the operation?

The final stage is known as the formal operational stage (adolescence and into adulthood, roughly ages 11 to approximately 15–20): Intelligence is demonstrated through the logical use of symbols related to abstract concepts. This form of thought includes "assumptions that have no necessary relation to reality."[43] At this point, the person is capable of hypothetical and deductive reasoning. During this time, people develop the ability to think about abstract concepts.

Piaget stated that "hypothetico-deductive reasoning" becomes important during the formal operational stage. This type of thinking involves hypothetical "what-if" situations that are not always rooted in reality, i.e. counterfactual thinking. It is often required in science and mathematics.

Abstract thought emerges during the formal operational stage. Children tend to think very concretely and specifically in earlier stages, and begin to consider possible outcomes and consequences of actions.
Metacognition, the capacity for "thinking about thinking" that allows adolescents and adults to reason about their thought processes and monitor them.[44]
Problem-solving is demonstrated when children use trial-and-error to solve problems. The ability to systematically solve a problem in a logical and methodical way emerges.

While children in primary school years mostly used inductive reasoning, drawing general conclusions from personal experiences and specific facts, adolescents become capable of deductive reasoning, in which they draw specific conclusions from abstract concepts using logic. This capability results from their capacity to think hypothetically.[45]

I've asked your opinion not wiki

i mean my opinion is essentially that wiki snippet

What is it? I don't read junk.

I just hide it

i think my opinions on psychology align with the established doctrine

it's piaget's final stage of cognitive development

it's called the "formal-operational stage"

people who reach this stage think hypothetically, and use deductive reasoning, they can understand abstract concepts

like the ones required for marxism

"However, research has shown that not all persons in all cultures reach formal operations, and most people do not use formal operations in all aspects of their lives".[46]

it says here that development can not be reached based on cultural factors

which means we need to educate for people to reach this stage

maybe people raised under capitalism often don't reach it

but we can fix that

That would take a long time.

In the time of transition army discipline and authority is necessary.

In our time.

still

i think a majority of people reach this stage

at least more than before

Still what? It was very hard in USSR. With the best education system we had a lot of people believing in "water energy charging" soon turning into sects.

even under capitalism, abstract tasks are embedded in education, like algebra

Its very hard.

if you can understand algebra you can probably understand marxism

I myself struggle so long learning it. Maybe it is easy for you. Not for me.

that's your problem

Everybody agrees with me.

maybe this discord is just the stupid pit

and everybody else is smarter

Every single Russian Marxist will tell you that.

because, outside of reading the entire volume 1 of capital or something, i would assume most people can have a basic understanding of marxism

Do you know diamat?

i'm not very familiar with it, but it is only one interpretation of marxism.

Nope, it is the basis of Marxism.

How can you know anything without basics?

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