Message from @Марко

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2017-08-06 04:36:49 UTC  

The workers of *what* get to own *what*?

2017-08-06 04:37:00 UTC  

@ego_sum_jeffum How so? Anarchist movements have been much more successful than authsoc ones, only reason they fell was because of suppression by Tankies and and fash

2017-08-06 04:37:01 UTC  

Does everyone own everything all at once?

2017-08-06 04:37:32 UTC  

Anarchist movement haven't been successful

2017-08-06 04:37:36 UTC  

@Katherine the workers control the means of production. In other words, the laborers in a factory own that factory, etc

2017-08-06 04:37:39 UTC  

Because they've never worked

2017-08-06 04:37:45 UTC  

Or were true anarchism

2017-08-06 04:37:46 UTC  

Lol

2017-08-06 04:38:11 UTC  

I see anarchists are the most secretarian

2017-08-06 04:38:20 UTC  

@Марко Then the workers of a given factory need some sort of coercive agency to enforce their decisions regarding what they own

2017-08-06 04:38:31 UTC  

Which is the State

2017-08-06 04:38:36 UTC  

mhmm

2017-08-06 04:38:36 UTC  
2017-08-06 04:38:51 UTC  

Also you claim to be a Marxist but you proceed to say "currency is necessary" while Marx explicitly sought that communism was the abolishment of capital altogether

2017-08-06 04:38:55 UTC  
2017-08-06 04:39:14 UTC  

I said currency was necessary before full communism

2017-08-06 04:39:30 UTC  

@Katherine that is not true. Workers can be their own masters without the need for a state

2017-08-06 04:39:34 UTC  

Once scarcity is gone we don't need any form of currency

2017-08-06 04:39:42 UTC  

@Марко example?

2017-08-06 04:40:04 UTC  

Scarcity will never be gone, but resources can be conserved.

2017-08-06 04:40:08 UTC  

Revolutionary Catalonia, Paris Commune, etc

2017-08-06 04:40:10 UTC  

@Марко A non-worker comes to the factory and wants to use it to make a different kind of toy than the workers want. What happens?

2017-08-06 04:40:18 UTC  

The Ukranian Free Territory

2017-08-06 04:40:23 UTC  

Scarcity can be gone

2017-08-06 04:40:39 UTC  

Explain why you think that

2017-08-06 04:40:42 UTC  

And btw everything you mentioned weren't anarchist

2017-08-06 04:40:52 UTC  

@Katherine if he labors to make the toy then he is a worker

2017-08-06 04:41:06 UTC  

And thus owns the MOP along with the other workers

2017-08-06 04:41:10 UTC  

Rather simple

2017-08-06 04:41:17 UTC  

NAP

2017-08-06 04:41:20 UTC  

@Марко He wasn't laboring before. He came into the factory, shoved other workers aside, and began to make toys.

2017-08-06 04:41:24 UTC  

reminds me of ancaps

2017-08-06 04:41:41 UTC  

How do you "shove them aside"

2017-08-06 04:41:46 UTC  

Lol what

2017-08-06 04:41:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314649062928547840/343614608214327316/image.jpg

2017-08-06 04:41:47 UTC  

Do the other workers no longer own the factory because they were forced to stop working?

2017-08-06 04:41:57 UTC  

Anarchism in general

2017-08-06 04:42:00 UTC  

Who forced them to stop working?

2017-08-06 04:42:10 UTC  

The person who wanted to make a different thing who wasn't working before

2017-08-06 04:42:14 UTC  

We'll call them Person A

2017-08-06 04:42:29 UTC  

Aha, attack the capitalist, not me