Message from @ego_sum_jeffum
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Anarchist movement haven't been successful
@Katherine the workers control the means of production. In other words, the laborers in a factory own that factory, etc
Because they've never worked
Or were true anarchism
Lol
I see anarchists are the most secretarian
@Марко Then the workers of a given factory need some sort of coercive agency to enforce their decisions regarding what they own
Which is the State
mhmm
Also you claim to be a Marxist but you proceed to say "currency is necessary" while Marx explicitly sought that communism was the abolishment of capital altogether
I said currency was necessary before full communism
@Katherine that is not true. Workers can be their own masters without the need for a state
Once scarcity is gone we don't need any form of currency
@Марко example?
Scarcity will never be gone, but resources can be conserved.
Revolutionary Catalonia, Paris Commune, etc
@Марко A non-worker comes to the factory and wants to use it to make a different kind of toy than the workers want. What happens?
The Ukranian Free Territory
Explain why you think that
And btw everything you mentioned weren't anarchist
@Katherine if he labors to make the toy then he is a worker
And thus owns the MOP along with the other workers
Rather simple
NAP
@Марко He wasn't laboring before. He came into the factory, shoved other workers aside, and began to make toys.
reminds me of ancaps
How do you "shove them aside"
Lol what
Do the other workers no longer own the factory because they were forced to stop working?
Anarchism in general
Who forced them to stop working?
The person who wanted to make a different thing who wasn't working before
We'll call them Person A
Aha, attack the capitalist, not me
Marxist-Leninists are Capitalists though (^:
haaaaaaaaaaa ^
The individual is free to individually own their own MOP if the workers of an existing factory do not wish to make the same toy as him @Katherine