Message from @ego_sum_jeffum

Discord ID: 343615113422700555


2017-08-06 04:40:52 UTC  

@Katherine if he labors to make the toy then he is a worker

2017-08-06 04:41:06 UTC  

And thus owns the MOP along with the other workers

2017-08-06 04:41:10 UTC  

Rather simple

2017-08-06 04:41:17 UTC  

NAP

2017-08-06 04:41:20 UTC  

@Марко He wasn't laboring before. He came into the factory, shoved other workers aside, and began to make toys.

2017-08-06 04:41:24 UTC  

reminds me of ancaps

2017-08-06 04:41:41 UTC  

How do you "shove them aside"

2017-08-06 04:41:46 UTC  

Lol what

2017-08-06 04:41:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314649062928547840/343614608214327316/image.jpg

2017-08-06 04:41:47 UTC  

Do the other workers no longer own the factory because they were forced to stop working?

2017-08-06 04:41:57 UTC  

Anarchism in general

2017-08-06 04:42:00 UTC  

Who forced them to stop working?

2017-08-06 04:42:10 UTC  

The person who wanted to make a different thing who wasn't working before

2017-08-06 04:42:14 UTC  

We'll call them Person A

2017-08-06 04:42:29 UTC  

Aha, attack the capitalist, not me

2017-08-06 04:42:49 UTC  

Marxist-Leninists are Capitalists though (^:

2017-08-06 04:43:06 UTC  

haaaaaaaaaaa ^

2017-08-06 04:43:20 UTC  

The individual is free to individually own their own MOP if the workers of an existing factory do not wish to make the same toy as him @Katherine

2017-08-06 04:43:25 UTC  

All anarchists are capitalist xxxxxxddddd

2017-08-06 04:43:35 UTC  

I can say something ridiculous like that

2017-08-06 04:43:47 UTC  

And get away with it as any anarchist

2017-08-06 04:43:47 UTC  

MLs are state capitalists

2017-08-06 04:43:53 UTC  

It's not ridiculous

2017-08-06 04:44:00 UTC  

It's a meme

2017-08-06 04:44:10 UTC  

"Muh State capitalism"

2017-08-06 04:44:30 UTC  

In regards to Marxism Leninism it is true

2017-08-06 04:45:02 UTC  

You can't argue with someone who denies reality

2017-08-06 04:45:06 UTC  

@Марко But the individual was not a worker. He literally came into the factory, forced other workers to stop working the MoP, took that MoP (began working it), and started using it differently.

2017-08-06 04:45:30 UTC  

Did he magically begin to own the MoP when he started working it, while the others lost ownership?

2017-08-06 04:45:36 UTC  

Which all anarchists seem to say ML's are state capitalists to discredit them from socialism

2017-08-06 04:45:47 UTC  

@Katherine How the fuck did he force all the workers without an apparatus to impose his will on the others like a state?

2017-08-06 04:46:17 UTC  

Workers will have magic guns of course

2017-08-06 04:46:43 UTC  

@Марко He did not force all the workers, he forced some working on a definite section. He can still try. What happens when he tries? Do the workers defend themselves? Do they coerce Person A to keep him from forcing the workers out?

2017-08-06 04:47:23 UTC  

I think you're simply misunderstanding how worker controlled MOP works

2017-08-06 04:47:36 UTC  

And Anarchist theory in general

2017-08-06 04:47:49 UTC  

*marxist Leninist

2017-08-06 04:48:02 UTC  

Anarchists have done nothing good

2017-08-06 04:48:07 UTC  

Do we magically assume no one disagrees with regard to how a given set of the MoP ought to be used?

2017-08-06 04:48:08 UTC  

I have

2017-08-06 04:48:10 UTC  

And it will continue that way

2017-08-06 04:48:12 UTC  

I am a god.