this isint a solution, its patching a hole in a ship being bombarded by cannonfire

"views" isint a youtube origenal term, because it represents something fundumental to the concept of advertisment. it has existed in advertisment for centurys. and this whole creators finding their own sponsor thing will eventually have the issue of "veiws" come up

youtube will control veiws

when it controls veiws it controls your life on that platform unless you can sell something other than advertisment in ANY form

sponsers are a new advertisment that is all and its not exempt from this problem, it just has time before it optomises for it

the shit were seeing youtube implament right now is simply a slow form of shadow banning

even merch wont save you if youtube wont let anyone watch you to buy it

lets reiterate a problem. or parts of a problem:

1) alt websites get like no views. which means extra work, time taken away from making videos, for potential no return
2) youtube can control if you get money from ads
3) youtube can control how easy it is to find your video
4) having all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea
5) Revenue is a combination of views and ads
6) views is a combo of number of videos, and quality/content of the videos

miss any of the major points?

I had the idea a long time ago that would take power from youtube

you just need an aggregator

to replace their "subscription"

maybe a 7) alt websites will get more veiws when they have people others want to see there on their platform

there's no way to compete with youtube as a platform

but as they change the way people find videos

there is a need for an aggregator site

did you see the changes on the subscription box now?

i agree, i kinda think thats why the whole channal awesome thing wasent a bad idea in concept, just had shit people behind it

subscription box? time the proposed changes to the subfeed

(nvm, the video from h3h3 is above 😂 )

exactly

THis may have already said but I have seen a number of non-political/non-controversial You Tube posters (TheReportOfTheWeek who does mainly fast food restaurant reviews and Sailing SV Delos who do sailboating videos), also complain about the way that YT is going.

hence the conversation lmao

everyones complaining about youtube

everyone is complaining

bingo

@Chijohnaok youtube is screwing everyone, for reasons people can't figure out aside from political bias

the subs and bells are shit

the solution I'm doing is removing less relevant youtubers

@.B aggregator site?

because the ones I most watch are disappearing from my feed

Doing so would seem counterproductive to the long term well being of YT but they wouldn't be the first company to shoot themselves in the foot

honestly i havent had any problem with my subbox

i can't help but feel youtube is trying to tackle political problems and then getting everyone caught in their crossfire, leading to more problems.

i know some people talk about being unsubbed or not seeing videos in their sub (which i sometimes have seen with metokur videos)

@Grenade123 imagine I do I site where you can subscribe creators, and I show you your sub box. But when you watch the video it's on youtube, the site works just as an aggregator

but most of the time im not having any problems

@.B how does the aggregator site make money to keep itself online

content creators have to pay to use it

ads, an aggregator site is cheap to keep up anyway

or that

I'm going to Japan in 1 week. When I settle I might work on that

though i dont think it would be all that unatractive for content creators to pay a small amount to use it

Matt Drudge/Drudge Report is probably one of the "biggest" aggregators that I am aware of

though I'm getting a lot of offers related to Blockchain 🤔

maybe work on a two fold approach. make an aggregator site for viewing, and one for uploading. Maybe charge for the uploader, run adds on the aggregator

@Arch-Fiend you can't promote an aggregator initially if you asks for people to pay it

do ads work on embedded views from youtube?

alright

it also reduces the value of YT's subscription, as the aggregator subs rise in relevance

if you make it one button click to upload a video to say youtube and bitchute at the same time, and the tool handles filling out descriptions and title boxes, all that jazz

I wouldn't do it embedded

the idea is simply to fix the subscription problem and visibility of what people want to see

so i need to visit one site, just to then go visit another site?

that's what an aggregator is, pretty much

why not skip the middle man? i mean, part of the problem is that subs don't know they have missed a video, and so long as you can still go to a person page and look at the last upload (which may soon not work on youtube), why would i go to this other site?

Science has proven it

remember, people are lazy

too many clicks and people get annoyed

UI design 101

@Grenade123 if you have 50 subs, do you go to their channels one by one?

I don't

see the only problem i have with an aggregator is do people even know what they are anymore? like the idea is to fight the hidding of content on youtube by youtube, and youtube isint just where videos are uploaded but its also the biggest aggregator for videos in the world besides like the video section on google when you search. so how does an aggragator actually increase growth? advertising the aggragator?

the idea was just to fix the visibility issue

not the ad revenue

yeah i just asked about the visibility issue

depending on the volume of people in the aggregator, it can start paying creators for viewers that come from there

the main way aggragators work is sub sharing

@Deadpool Bruce Jenner proved that already i believe, becoming wamen of the year

`1) alt websites get like no views. which means extra work, time taken away from making videos, for potential no return
2) youtube can control if you get money from ads
3) youtube can control how easy it is to find your video
4) having all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea
5) Revenue is a combination of views and ads
6) views is a combo of number of videos, and quality/content of the videos
7) alt sites will, hopefully grow but will do so slowly`

if we can making it easier to maintain 2 or more video upload sites, that should help solve the rest of these problems i would think. anyone agree?

you should add a 8) that actually says what i said before because what i said before was actually very accurate

followed by the visibility issue we could be handled with the same tool by promoting on things like twitter and other places all at once

it would remedy it a bit atleast,
but if you're always gonna upload on youtube regardless, not many people will cross over to alt-sites

but subsharing doesent actually increase the bulk subscribers the entire section of people youve agragated together except that their veiws go up and hopefuly that has ramafications on youtube, but the fact that it doesent is the problem

@Arch-Fiend i modified it because this was a list of problems, and that wasn't really a problem but a solution.

oh sorry then

i thought it was just a list of factors

@Dr.Wol true. but youtube will do the work of making it so you can't view stuff on youtube for you.

just make a program that automatically uploads to any site/account you add to it

Kind of like how OBS uploads a stream to a certain link

so you can add like 4-5 hosting sites, and the program automatically does it for you every time

@Arch-Fiend "list of a problem, or parts of the problem." but no worries

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@Dr.Wol thats what i was thinking. Add youtube, twitter, facebook, bitchute, and minds to it. You upload a video, it goes to bitchute and youtube, then automatically posts links to it on twitter, facebook and minds. something like that

yes

now the only problem is website APIs

but we could, in theory, make this an open source tool. no need to charge money if people work on it for their own benefit, and there is no real maintain costs unlike a website which needs to pay a server.

so its free for creators, which means they have no reason not to use it, assuming we keep login credentials safe. which means how to save that info locally, or make them login to all the sites every time (not exactly a user friendly way to do things)

well, most social media sites have API's to connect to other things,

like all those "share this video" buttons

right, i'm more concerned about the upload api

youtube has one, its easy to find. let me look for bitchute

might work better if i knew anime

seems like bitchute doesn't have an official api yet

not surprising, usually APIs start out as communities reverse engineering things, sometimes with support from the companies until its large enough that the leg work is done, then the company just maintains it from there

not uncommon

@Deadpool Good to see you're getting around.

its a trap!

and yes, any company will easily accept a program made for them, they wont have to pay a programmer to make it, just one to check over the code to make sure its safe, and then maintain it

now the next danger comes from websites not wanting the tool compatible. mainly looking at youtube seeing the tool as a threat and trying to change their API and make the upload pieces private, or harder to deal with.

when the tool is new, this is a problem that could torpedo it.

true

what use is a tool that can't upload to the biggest game in town still

they wont want to help competition 😛

now, once it gets going, the reverse will be true. because if the tool makes life easy enough for content creators, then anything not on it, they just won't upload

"why spend time uploading to youtube when i could upload to 3 other video share sits without any more effort,a nd probably get the same amouint of views"

so if most creators use the tool, any new or existing site will want to make themselves compatible so they can get in on the action.

but, you need to get it to that level of popularity.

well if it gets going, it will shrink the monopoly, since people can then use any site they prefer,

Which will then create competition because different sites will then have exclusives on their site, so people get to spread out again

true, but they wouldn't want to cut themselves off from a popular way of getting content. instead they will probably strike deals with creators. and thats fine

you guys are missing a lot of points on that idea

by all means, poke holes

videos without the community aren't worth much

how would you handle the comments, likes, etc?

its an upload tool, the videos will stay on the site

in theory, can add that into the tool

or that

if there's a content ID on one site, would you remove the video from everywhere and reupload?

what do you mean by that?

I mean, your video gets claimed on youtube

also, the comments would probably stay local to the video (i.e. on the host site) but can be made visible from one location for the content maker

would you change the video and reupload only to youtube?

well, you should always allowed customization.

so, say maybe you have several sites, but the video you made doesn't work with ToS of a few of them.

checkmark button for which sites you want to upload to at that time 😄

you wouldn't want to upload. to those sites. so this is always a possibility of individual upload.

uncheck those that don't need a re-upload

you can make an ID for the video internal to the tool, so it can keep track of all the different copies

need to reupload or edit? select which sites to do that for, and have the logic for the best method for those sites built into the tool

you do understand the lower value of having the community segregated across multiple sites, right?

they already are on different sites

most area already on youtube and twitter

I only use youtube, I would risk and say 90%+ of people are also there

true, but its never a good idea to only have 1 site

anything outside of youtube is irrelevant

it doesn't matter if 90% of the traffic comes from one site. because if that site changes, that 90% could go away. if you have a back up, then you stand a good chance to get back that lost crowd

that is the problem this is aiming at

there's no platform that will be able to compete with youtube in the near future

no matter what tool you make, that won't change

sure it will, if youtube keeps shooting itself in the foot

there will be a rise of aggregators, but not of platforms

if there is no other platforms, then how can there a raise of aggregators?

the video content will still be from YT

@Grenade123 No one can compete with YT, It runs at a massive loss. The only way to take a share of the market would be for Amazon or such like to get involed.

so then the site serves no purpose

you make a site that tells people to go to youtube

why

>aggregator

to FIND what they want to watch

because YT is shitting on it's own platform on that matter

which means that youtube sucks doing that

which means there is room in the market to provide a better method

of aggregation yes

of another platform, no

why not?

@Poppy Rider said it. Because you will be burning money for a decade

here is a question, if youtube runs at a loss, WHY do they have?

monopoly

on lost money?

just like Uber

just like Facebook

just like Twitter

this is nothing new

Tesla too

Facebook only started to make money _AFTER_ the IPO

you just listed successful companies, (maybe minus tesla), then cited a failing company as being the same

oh, you mean it just takes too long to start making money

yup

okay, new question. how did youtube start in the first place

Uber still operates on a loss

google didn;t always own it

you need to look into that

because users == money

so they get investors

but never make any profit

until the endgame

the investors foot the bill

you have no idea of the costs of video content. Hell, even if you wanted to host JUST _your_ videos, it costs a LOT

I don't think YT can make money, ever. And be completely free. Far to much server space. The reason Google keeps YT is for the collection of data. It is a gold mine for any AI project. If you get something for free your are the product.

why does it cost money? what is the overhead? server space, and a webface, right?

Google would keep YT even if it didn't make money ever, because it makes money on their other products

and the people to maintain that

traffic costs alone are huge

HD space for the video in 5 different formats is another

Bandwidth and server maintenance.

Google or Mirosoft put a sever at the bottom of the ocean to save on cooling.

well, i just figured out what the first instantiation on the moon will be

although thats not entirely accurate. space is rather hot for being so cold

Supermarkets are offering their frozen storage space to server providers. It's really expensive.

The coldest natural place in the sola system is on the moon. A creater on the northpole has never seen the sun.

first installation on the moon from private companies: a server farm

Let's start with Greenland shall we. And see how we go fro mthere.

i mean, why not start with the Antarctica? land has to be cheaper, less government regs, probably colder too

I don't think you're far from the truth there. Fast forward a few decades and you'll have power stations being commissioned there.

So it's clear that you can't make things 100% free like YouTube. Well, unless you are a data collection firm. But we all know how well people like those. So what about something in the middle. Free you get X amount of hours of free video hosting. Hit that limit, you need to free up space. The sell teirs or features. Because part of the problem with youtube is that probably most of the stuff it is storing, it's not get much if any traffic. So basically it's free storage.

Which is a major drain in resources.

a data collection firm like Discord

Like all free sites

Or you can have the YT that we have. A very rich company that realizes how important a site like YT is and writes off the cost as a charity.

They don't write it off as charity. It's overhead fr advertising.

For*

A company could.

YouTube isn't important. We had tv and still do.

It's only popular because it is free, and people can make a living off it

But it's free because we are not the customer. Companies are

Which is why it keeps shooting it's creators because it's customers are being finicky

You have to pay to use the air waves. YT is important because it is free for everyone. TV has gate keepers. Thats why I think it would be good for a company to realize the good that YT brings and take it on as a charity. No need to worry about hit pieces. Although I'm not sure how long theses pieces will have any effect.

youtube has gatekeepers

Where are the gay traps?

It's Thursday. They take Thursdays off. Come back tomorrow.

YT has Gatekeepers. I didn't say it was perfect put a private company is the best way to run it. You can't have it ran by a government.

the only real way to not have gatekeepers is either through having lots of competition, or by decentralization. Which should be an option with block chain. make creators pay for storage of their videos. "want 50 gb for data? give me 50 gb on your machine. uninstall the app? fine, your channel goes down by how much space that machine gave me"

put all the cost on the people using the system

then there is no gate keepers.

actually, i wonder....

That is the other way to do it. But even a system like that runs into the gate keeper issue. There is maintainance of the coding and I'm all for free expression but I don't want to be chipping into a site that allows child porn on it.

maintenance of open source stuff is usually done by the people who use it.

YT is the second biggest search engine in the western world. I think it's to big to be run by bedroom coders.

first off: its google, not really youtube.
second: you underestimate the power of open source

O might be underestimating it. Google is #1 YT is #2

I*

they are the same company

probably by now very similar algorithms

thats why i say google

or really Alphabet

Thats like saying Amazon and Twitch are the same company. Yes they are working close but when ppl 'google' something you aren't looking it up on YT. They are separate entities with separate teams.

well, more like if i search youtube i don't find it on google. but i will find youtube on google

so i count them as one in the same in the sense that i wouldn't be surprised if googles algorithm is built into youtubes, with just a limit to youtube only results.

That's fair enough but that's not how most ppl use or view the two sites.

https://puu.sh/AsbG1/1a8d4df82c.png

He said it!

The absolute madman!

Primarch Elon Musk of the Tesla Marines?

God Emperor Trumps lost son?

pharmacy: "yeah, it will take me like 2 minutes to fill this bottle.... but i'm gonna take 6 hours and charge 1000 bucks per hour"

but hey, its the tax break giving this to the 1% that ruins america

the 1% that ruins america? you mean politicians?

i was being a sjw 😛

this is just a cut case of pharma monopoly that the government is playing along to,

Because with that amount of money you charge, you can buy congress

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jar-jar horsedog

https://i.imgur.com/SKq9bwU.jpg

Zeta: If that's you you need to tell them you can't pay asap