they never want to make anything new, just destroy was already here

Or change something that already exists.

but if we agree it is stupid, why are you going along with it?

It's just talking to someone on their terms/for the sake of argument.

To learn more.

sjw: "comics are sexist"
random: "make your own comics then"
sjw: "NO! NO SEXIST COMICS ARE ALLOWED"
*changes everything, killing comics*
sjw: "ah, much better"

@JadenFrostwolf we weren't all here entertaining the idea, some ppl here really think we should redefine gender

No, I know.

@.B because in order to have any kind of constructive conversation, you need to work from a common vocabulary. And its much easier to destroy a persons argument if you use their vocabulary against them rather than try and get them to use your own.

Probably the most annoying thing is that in a lot of cases, they're not even fans of or consumers of the thing they are trying to change.
Like I think it's safe to say the vast majority of the people crying for Nintendo to change "Link" from the Legend of Zelda series into a girl, because... reasons....
...would not have even bought the game, or cared about how it would have affected the story.

@Grenade123 I agree, isn't that what we just did? =p

you are the one who asked why i was going along with it

gf just sent me a jumpscare

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254648084296892416/420040624310583316/v7MAcn2.png

@JadenFrostwolf I've heard a lot of people saying Zelda should be genderbent into a girl 😏

ive been reading

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coz all video games have males in the titles

rightttttt?

Zelda is already a girl....?

you mean Link?

That's the joke.

that's the point, they thought Link was Zelda. They didn't even know the franchise 😂

People that know nothing of the game often call the character you play Zelda, since the game is called Zelda.

name an SJW that demands a franchise be changed that actually likes the franchise.

*cough* anita sarkeesian *cough*

"I've always been a gamer" *rewind less than 10 years* "I'm not a gamer and have never played games"

one redefinition of a word that "triggers" me is the word "gamer"

you play sudoku or candy crush? YOU'R A GAMER

I thought gamers were dead. <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

western games are kinda dead 🤔

fuck, find me the gamer player sudoku, they are probably not too dumb.

so to reiterate my thoughts, sex defines biological differences of a species that store the method of reproducing a new lifeform of their species into 2 or more entities. this covers everything that empericly we can catagorize about them which are internally consistant. this means most physical traits and some psychological traits. gender has NO reason to define this, as theres no reason to have 2 words that mean the same thing. if you were to give gender a different definition scientificly, in my opinion it would need to define the social and psychological differences between individuals of different sexs

I kinda told you why "gender" was used

because in most languages "sex" is also a verb of the act

thats a weak arguement

in most languages the same word means different things

so to avoid confusion, "gender" was another way of refering to it that was clear to understand what you're asking

so gender so as to not pull an austin powers? *filling out form* "Sex? Yes please."

yes, I believe that is the main reason

not to mention sex is only an english word, in other languages the act of having sex is a different word

in my native language the same happens

in spanish too

in french too

gender: "late Middle English: from Old French gendre (modern genre ), based on Latin genus ‘birth, family, nation.’ The earliest meanings were ‘kind, sort, genus’ and ‘type or class of noun, etc."

I could do some research on it tbh

i dont think the chinese call the act of reproduction sex

consitering they have no latin roots

we are talking about the west

so not most languages

the Chinese have 5 different words using the same 3 letters

in the same order

if you go to asian countries, there's not even pronouns

kanjis are gendered

let's not dig a bigger hole into this

really i think only spanish has a word close to sex

sexo

what feminists are trying to do, removing gendered names of things can't even be done in most asian languages

italians use sesso

replace gender on all forms with "chromo" and have it be Y/X

portuguese too

well french use sexe

good luck trying to fix German if they are trying to make it "gender neutral"

even then though latin languages are also the most common languages to have a word with multiple definitions

and have those words transfer from verb to noun

also boats have genders apparently

but not sex

@Arch-Fiend is there no other language in which there is multiple words that mean the same thing?

yes there are

i think most languages do grenade

which is why "they use gender insted of sex because sex can also be a verb" is a weak argument

asking for the "sex" is also informal

its also not how science works

asking "gender" is considered the formal way of asking it

language has nothing to do with science

this is language, not science

perhaps you shouldent have been arguing that gender is a scientific word earlier then

most languages follow irrational evolutions

pretty sure science usually refers to things officially by sex, unofficially by whatever is common colloquial language

because the verb for sex in science is reproduction

or compitulation

or insemination

you misrepresent his statements

gender has, in colloquial English, be the same as biological sex.

then i can easly say it doesent exist

that does not mean biological sex is called gender in science

and just use a different language

aren't you contributing to my point? if you say "sex" you assume the act, if you say "gender" you assume the binary definition which can _also_ be defined as "sex"

well, no words exists

all words are socially constructed

yes.. so?

"socially constructed" says nothing

so, then saying it doesn't exist because its not science, but language, is not really a good argument

everything is socially constructed

its not useful to me to have gender and sex mean the same thing because you will have people argue that gender means whatever they want it to mean while sex will never be touched, sex will simply be replaced and ultimately youll lose the argument in the long run

the other way around

>to me

that is not an argument, but a preference

i rather maintain concrete, historicaly fortuitious language which i can argue my points with

which is fine to have, but does not mean it will apply to anyone else

if gender becomes volatile and not useful, people will just use "sex"