Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2018-05-24 14:50:38 UTC  

why would you ever need to implament a 2nd conformation to a subscription button (the bell) and then later implament a 3rd confermation to a subscription (the tab that opens up after the bell now) THEN start messing with the subscription feed

2018-05-24 14:50:56 UTC  

look it doesent matter what creators do now

2018-05-24 14:51:21 UTC  

they could be sponcered by the whitehouse. if youtube wants you dead, they are your god now

2018-05-24 14:51:27 UTC  

either that, or start having paid subscriptions. Which is what patreon almost is

2018-05-24 14:51:46 UTC  

well thats why i said then the platform is less problematic

2018-05-24 14:51:58 UTC  

doesn't matter if the video doesn't get views for a while, or when it gets views.

2018-05-24 14:52:05 UTC  

what sponcer would sponcer you over someone who has better growth? youtube is controling your economic mobility on their platform this is a killer

2018-05-24 14:52:32 UTC  

so if you go to bitchute, it doesn't matter how long it takes to rebuild your viewership because views are no longer your source of income basically

2018-05-24 14:52:54 UTC  

they will keep tightening the screws until they can actually cause people to lose subscribers and veiws simply due to their algorythmes alone

2018-05-24 14:53:08 UTC  

i mean, look at roosterteeth. They are a pretty big company now. They started doing online videos, for free, way before youtube.

2018-05-24 14:53:49 UTC  

but they did this with first free work, then paid subscriptions on their own site, then branching out to put themselves out there on various stuff.

2018-05-24 14:54:08 UTC  

then they sold merch, downloads, all kinds of things

2018-05-24 14:54:20 UTC  

(i mean, diversify is the best business practice)

2018-05-24 14:55:29 UTC  

it doesent matter where your advertisers come from, if you dont have enough veiws youll eventually stop getting ads. right now advertisers are being experimental because there is a need for it, that wont last

2018-05-24 14:55:31 UTC  

but so long as views == money, people are gonna have a hard time doing and kind of switch. because either its a full switch which may backfire because they get too little views for their remaining capital and need to shut the doors and find a new job, or they put in extra work for little to no returns until one of the alts takes off

2018-05-24 14:56:04 UTC  

@Arch-Fiend yes, but if you have a sponsor, then youtube or bitchute can't say you make no money on this video now

2018-05-24 14:56:15 UTC  

there will be a day when vikings doesent just had out sponcers to just anybody

2018-05-24 14:56:57 UTC  

this isint a solution, its patching a hole in a ship being bombarded by cannonfire

2018-05-24 14:58:32 UTC  

"views" isint a youtube origenal term, because it represents something fundumental to the concept of advertisment. it has existed in advertisment for centurys. and this whole creators finding their own sponsor thing will eventually have the issue of "veiws" come up

2018-05-24 14:58:40 UTC  

youtube will control veiws

2018-05-24 14:59:07 UTC  

when it controls veiws it controls your life on that platform unless you can sell something other than advertisment in ANY form

2018-05-24 14:59:48 UTC  

sponsers are a new advertisment that is all and its not exempt from this problem, it just has time before it optomises for it

2018-05-24 15:01:07 UTC  

the shit were seeing youtube implament right now is simply a slow form of shadow banning

2018-05-24 15:01:56 UTC  

even merch wont save you if youtube wont let anyone watch you to buy it

2018-05-24 15:01:56 UTC  

lets reiterate a problem. or parts of a problem:

1) alt websites get like no views. which means extra work, time taken away from making videos, for potential no return
2) youtube can control if you get money from ads
3) youtube can control how easy it is to find your video
4) having all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea
5) Revenue is a combination of views and ads
6) views is a combo of number of videos, and quality/content of the videos

miss any of the major points?

2018-05-24 15:03:33 UTC  

I had the idea a long time ago that would take power from youtube

2018-05-24 15:03:39 UTC  

you just need an aggregator

2018-05-24 15:03:45 UTC  

to replace their "subscription"

2018-05-24 15:03:54 UTC  

maybe a 7) alt websites will get more veiws when they have people others want to see there on their platform

2018-05-24 15:04:17 UTC  

there's no way to compete with youtube as a platform

2018-05-24 15:04:26 UTC  

but as they change the way people find videos

2018-05-24 15:04:33 UTC  

there is a need for an aggregator site

2018-05-24 15:04:50 UTC  

did you see the changes on the subscription box now?

2018-05-24 15:05:02 UTC  

i agree, i kinda think thats why the whole channal awesome thing wasent a bad idea in concept, just had shit people behind it

2018-05-24 15:05:05 UTC  

subscription box? time the proposed changes to the subfeed

2018-05-24 15:05:15 UTC  

(nvm, the video from h3h3 is above 😂 )

2018-05-24 15:05:20 UTC  

exactly

2018-05-24 15:05:27 UTC  

THis may have already said but I have seen a number of non-political/non-controversial You Tube posters (TheReportOfTheWeek who does mainly fast food restaurant reviews and Sailing SV Delos who do sailboating videos), also complain about the way that YT is going.

2018-05-24 15:05:28 UTC  

hence the conversation lmao

2018-05-24 15:05:51 UTC  

everyones complaining about youtube

2018-05-24 15:05:57 UTC  

everyone is complaining