I'm spotting slight nuance in our interpretations though

but look, none of us here denies that white, western culture is clearly the best we have in the world right now

But to say its a product of white people is just stupid, Proof -> Look at SJW's, look at the Left/California etc

Its the principles and ideas that make or break a society

Capitalism made the west rich, powerful and free

Socialism ruined every country it touched
the SJW's and such are all socialists, thats why it doesn't work

Most of "modern" africa is socialist, tahts why they're backwards

and the majority of SJW's are white rich kids who are also white supremacists, but with a guilt complex

We don't need an ethnic cleansing.

We need to bring back capitalism.

And let those who don't wish to participate, leave if they like.

and the biggest reason for socialism is that it allows for a central control of the nation

and central control gives a few people a LOOOOT of power, and that allows selfish corrupt individuals to ruin a nation to persuit their own personal wealth

Capitalism is great because it divides power across the self-made strong, not those given power by the state

Hence you can't easily generate a dictatorship because the power isn't centralised

he left btw

But yeah, you put it quite well.

Essentially, Meritocracy = Capitalism. The reason Capitalism is the best core economic system is because it's a societal system that actually reflects the base rules of nature.

yes

But a free market must also be maintained to preserve it, and we're lacking in that department.

but it also motivates

If you want more, you have to work harder

in socialism its the opposite, being weak is a benefit for you, being strong will limit you because you have to give your extra to others

who because they're weak won't be able to return the favor, so why bother? why not join them and gain benefits from others and just sit around and be lazy

you can see that principle in play in the welfare system

People don't try to escape it because they'll loose their welfare

they rather complain to get more and do nothing

because in the west they're given enough to survive, theres no need to escape it

I don't think they should be left to die, necessarily.

I do think supporting those with disabilities IS in our best interest as a society

being left to die is a strong word

But able bodied people that just "sit around" and don't want to work shouldn't be given just a handout because the system is lenient

The term I turn to is 'comfort in poverty'

yes

and i agree, people who are in dire due to disabilities or real misfortune i feel okay helping

But stuff like, people who just eat all day and turn fat then demand disability money
smokers who need extra health-care

freeloaders who demand money and spit on other people

no, they have got to go

i mean when that migrant crisis happened in 2015, some refugees who came to the netherlands complained because they were given a bottle of water at the refugee center, not a bottle of wine.

Like really? i'd beat them senseless with a hammer if i was in charge, just for that

and 'left to die' is a strong word?

I retract that statement

realizing that it was attached to the line above.

well, turning fat, smoking or just couch-potatoing are self-made situations

I can agree. -_-

I mean, kind of.

i know, fat isn't always a food issue, there are some health conditions that make you fat

Naah, I'm referring to the inability to find work.

I've been working for a delivery service as of late, and it's super crappy, but it's all I can find at the moment.

I used to make 19/h in DC before I moved back to my podunk town

well, that would sort itself out if you remove the welfare system

then those bottom/freeloaders won't come here, and work illegally for some extra

meaning those jobs need to be filled by legal workers

This service I'm lucky to be making 5/h. Yeah, I said 2.5 below minimum wage.

ouch

but i mean like, stuff those illegal mexicans do in America, where they collect welfare (which costs tax money) and then paint fences on the side without paying taxes over it.

minimum wage labor etc

those sort of jobs will then open up to the public

Oh, you've got it slightly wrong...

i do?

Where are you from, jay

Netherlands

ah, got it

So, in the United States, we've got labor laws.

Minimum wage is $7.25/h

but, you see, that only applies to... LEGAL employees....

yes

when they do the whole 'terk muh jerb' meme

they're referring to illegal immigrants who come in, accept less than minimum wage for work, and live 8 people to a room in a house somewhere

occasionally, they might make a decent amount from under-the-table work

yes

I'm not so sure they generally collect wellfare

some might find a way

technically, everyone pays taxes at the store.

well true on that part

but i meant like the under the table work

If theres no illegals to do those jobs, the people who need them done will either have to do it themselves, or pay someone legally

and that would allow someone to start a business to fulfill those jobs again

But, I mean, after the hurricane that hit Texas, I tried to find work installing drywall.

I couldn't find work, because I wasn't willing to accept $5/h for that work.

not when they could hire a crew to do a whole house in an afternoon at that rate.

exactly

and my liberal progressive friend was trying to make it sound like I should count myself lucky that they're here.

yeah, fuck that.

but thats one of those free market principles

If the job needs doing and theres not enough people willing to accept "Wage A"

The power lies with those in need of <Group>

If theres too much work needed to be done, the power lies with the workers, cuz they can demand more money

If theres too much workers, the power lies with the employer who can just say, i'll pay the one that demands the least

so for minimum wage people, its very beneficial to get rid of illegal workers

^ ^ ^ absolutely

Either abolish illegal immigrants

or abolish minimum wage

one or the other. You can't have both exist.

And our minimum wage, for the most part, dictates the price of goods

exactly

so neither should exist

I'd be okay with that, too.

i mean, the idea of higher minimum wages shound nice

but employers that need to pay more wages won't take it out of their own salaries, they'll charge the consumer

I lived in DC.

like a store would just up its prices

19/h there

was the equivalent of 12/h elsewhere

not TOO bad

but not great.

also, more like 10/h elsewhere

yeah

(the minimum wage there was around $13/h I think?

With a minimum amount of 4 hours worked in a shift?)

that would only be beneficial if you commute

Live in a place where 10/h would be livable minimum wage, and then work where its 19/h, so you save 9/h 😛

Well

conversely, the job market is a market too

yes

Anywhere within the metro area, the county minimum wage would generally be higher, at least in maryland.

yes

not quite as high as DC proper

but in order to compete with the DC job market, which would draw said commuters

they have to pay their employees more

i was just speculating what would be the only "true" benefit of having a high minimum wage in a certain area

Naah, you're kind of right.

plenty of people would actually live fairly deep into Northern Virginia, out of the reach of the metro system

well, commuting would generate transportation costs aswell

True.

But all these people arguing for across-the-board raises to $15/h

don't understand what they're asking for.

well they don't understand how money works

You can't just generate value out of thin air

Tell that to the Treasury Department

Walmart can't just suddenly pay people more and still break even the same

They'll have to increase costs, meaning that in the end, to compensate for that 15/h

they'll have to charge so much that people don't get any extra spending power because that 15/h they earn now nets them the same purchasing power because prices got inflated

and by increase costs i mean prices on their wares

why gifs no work

gifs on discord work as an internet link i believe

personal gifs don't work i believe

https://media.giphy.com/media/77XwMyXIgUuVW/giphy.gif

like that

and yes, that sort of treasury department policies is why massive social programs don't work well, because you either have to generate money, inflating the currency and making everyone poor

or charge people masses in taxes

and since Bush/Obama era massively grew FEDERAL jobs, by which people pay taxes from jobs that are paid for with taxes, they'll get inflation

Mass taxation also makes people poorer.

yes

and I mean, I've actually run experiments before

if you follow the same $100 from transaction to transaction

but mass taxation doesn't necessarily cause inflation, because you don't print more money, that was my point in the above situation

it's reduced to pocket change by taxation after only a few exchanges.

yeah

but it also just sucks

You're talking about taxation as a money sink

here in the netherlands, i get taxed 52%

In america for the same amount of "earning" i'd get 22% taxes

well i'm talking taxation as a way to generate money for government programs

government can get money in 2 ways:
- Taxes
- Printing money, causing inflation

both make the people poor

and taxes just suck in general

they charge poor people like 30%, and then give them government subsidiaries to stay afloat economically

so, we'll take your money, deduct administration fees, and now give you a smaller amount back that you still need to survive

they do in netherlands atleast

Yeah, that system sucks.

but the government here is going mental :S

they wanna implement a tax, for being mortage free?

o_o

they want to abolish the peoples right to hold a referendum

on government issues

Smells like EU shenanigans

well, they need to get money to pay for all the refugees

and like 3 years ago

the dutch government had to decide to support or veto a European program to assist Ukraine after that Russia/Crimea incident

and the people called a referendum vote here

and the "no Ukraine support" won

next thing the government decides to ignore the referndum because its non binding, and now wants to remove it at all because "It gives the people the idea they're not being listened to"

Well NO SHIT, if we vote and you're not listening, what a surprise?

the only good thing is that this government is causing a massive backlash,

Because a new right-wing party is exploding in popularity and members

It got 1 senate seat last election, and its currently the 2nd largest party in the country

Every time I asked my girlfriend 'what's wrong', she'd respond 'You keep ignoring me!', so I stopped asking her what is wrong.

exactly

I don't know WHY she's mad at me...

but that right wing party was founded 2 years ago, joined only in last years election

now its the 2nd largest party in the country, so hopefully next election the Netherlands will become right-wing

I want a Donald Trump in Europe 😛

or Vladimir Putin

I'll take either over Merkel

Right wing Netherlands...

haha

oh absolutely

I mean, that's yet another point

If you oppress a group, they rise up against the oppressor after a while.

And that's the problem we have stateside

we've got two groups equally gathering their oppression points

yes

and then a vast sea of us in the middle, watching the other two groups like a mexican standoff.

but thats why big government can turn bad really fast

Its again the central power argument we talked about earlier

split the power

When everyone has power, no one has power

Capitalism, no central power

so bring back the Whig party in America 😛

Most hilariously, evidence from the last election shows that Russia played both sides, and that every move they've made has been to sew division...

eugh, the Muuh Russia debate 😛

and so all of this division that's coming up, does that mean that Russia is actually winning?

heres my take on it

If russia had the majority of impact

then Putin has won

Russia stuck 10,000 dollar in ads durign the election (supposedly)

And then succeded


Hillary stuck 200 million in campaign ads in Florida alone

and lost

All secret services in the US have 0 evidence russia "succesfully" meddled

so if 10,000 dollars untracable with 0 evidence swung this election

then Russia has just won

theres no coming back from that

not to mention

Brexit was supposedly a russian thing
Le-Pen in France nearly winning
Geert Wilders here in netherlands becoming the 3rd largest party
Poland
Afd in Germany

oh yeah, I know they're being used as a scapegoat

that's the thing, though

there's the scapegoat agenda

and the actual agenda

Oh, Russia wants to support the Right Wing candidates only!

well, the actual agenda failed

Russia being a scapegoat is the "establishment" not willing to accept that their own failed policies and ways are crashing down

They're deluting themselves for having failed, because "They knew it all, they brought the world greatness, woo woo, they can't possibly lose to this"

nooooooo, all the evidence shows that Russia wants to divide cohesive western societies... and on a meta level, by making that accusation, you're an unwitting pawn of Russia.

yeah

the good ol' Kafka trap

Your denial only proves theres something there!

but its just to lie to their "believers" that they're not incompetent

if the DNC came out now and admitted Russia didn't cause trump to win

Then CNN will lose all (whats left) of its credibility
the FBI will lose its credibility
The entire democratic party (which is already fading cuz its broke) will lose whatever is left
The European Union
the entire "globalist" society will just collapse

the entire establishment will explode if they come out now

So they have to carry on the lie and hope theres a way out

Or admit it, or reach the point where the lie no longer works
And then crash and burn

but they have no plan, so they double down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZThR80r9M

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXCmcdNXkAASQRC.jpg

FOR FUCKS SAKE

How do you make fun of this kind of thing?

The joke writes itself.

They are literally getting to the point of being beyond parody.

You make a joke about these kinds of things, and then a few months down the line they *actually do the thing.*

And I see I again missed one of the better discussions. lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_03NZUQAAO-lh.jpg

http://prntscr.com/ikhws9

ok so i just found out thats actually vee

doesent make it any better though

kick vee

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hey what does it mean when you share a youtube video on discord and it has a red bar next to it insted of grey one?

...Red bar next to it?

maybe it indicates its a video youve posted

but look up, next to every video on here is a small grey line vertical to the left of it

also some other links to like websites

Dunno then

Look goys Germany is being enriched.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/67164b3656353e10806740c021b37cf6/tenor.gif?itemid=5494204

i agree, thats disgusting

ok so if anyone is worried about youtube videos having a red line next to them, apparently thats standard now, something youtube did in the last hour
so if you post a video here on discord from youtube it will have a red line to the left

here i thought you was linking light sabers

turns out it was bolt carriers

were you exposed to arthur?

ooooold

show some memes that make fun of the alt-right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUCm_NFpN1w

Thank you friend

https://youtu.be/0IURpXwvLrw

Ha! the reboot has a penis on the upper part!

i have friends who think the 4th was the best

they have good arguements for it

i bet they have arguments, i doubt its good ones though.

Google is inventing black inventors lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImnegJVPEms

lol

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