well i'm talking taxation as a way to generate money for government programs

government can get money in 2 ways:
- Taxes
- Printing money, causing inflation

both make the people poor

and taxes just suck in general

they charge poor people like 30%, and then give them government subsidiaries to stay afloat economically

so, we'll take your money, deduct administration fees, and now give you a smaller amount back that you still need to survive

they do in netherlands atleast

Yeah, that system sucks.

but the government here is going mental :S

they wanna implement a tax, for being mortage free?

o_o

they want to abolish the peoples right to hold a referendum

on government issues

Smells like EU shenanigans

well, they need to get money to pay for all the refugees

and like 3 years ago

the dutch government had to decide to support or veto a European program to assist Ukraine after that Russia/Crimea incident

and the people called a referendum vote here

and the "no Ukraine support" won

next thing the government decides to ignore the referndum because its non binding, and now wants to remove it at all because "It gives the people the idea they're not being listened to"

Well NO SHIT, if we vote and you're not listening, what a surprise?

the only good thing is that this government is causing a massive backlash,

Because a new right-wing party is exploding in popularity and members

It got 1 senate seat last election, and its currently the 2nd largest party in the country

Every time I asked my girlfriend 'what's wrong', she'd respond 'You keep ignoring me!', so I stopped asking her what is wrong.

exactly

I don't know WHY she's mad at me...

but that right wing party was founded 2 years ago, joined only in last years election

now its the 2nd largest party in the country, so hopefully next election the Netherlands will become right-wing

I want a Donald Trump in Europe 😛

or Vladimir Putin

I'll take either over Merkel

Right wing Netherlands...

haha

oh absolutely

I mean, that's yet another point

If you oppress a group, they rise up against the oppressor after a while.

And that's the problem we have stateside

we've got two groups equally gathering their oppression points

yes

and then a vast sea of us in the middle, watching the other two groups like a mexican standoff.

but thats why big government can turn bad really fast

Its again the central power argument we talked about earlier

split the power

When everyone has power, no one has power

Capitalism, no central power

so bring back the Whig party in America 😛

Most hilariously, evidence from the last election shows that Russia played both sides, and that every move they've made has been to sew division...

eugh, the Muuh Russia debate 😛