I retract that statement

realizing that it was attached to the line above.

well, turning fat, smoking or just couch-potatoing are self-made situations

I can agree. -_-

I mean, kind of.

i know, fat isn't always a food issue, there are some health conditions that make you fat

Naah, I'm referring to the inability to find work.

I've been working for a delivery service as of late, and it's super crappy, but it's all I can find at the moment.

I used to make 19/h in DC before I moved back to my podunk town

well, that would sort itself out if you remove the welfare system

then those bottom/freeloaders won't come here, and work illegally for some extra

meaning those jobs need to be filled by legal workers

This service I'm lucky to be making 5/h. Yeah, I said 2.5 below minimum wage.

ouch

but i mean like, stuff those illegal mexicans do in America, where they collect welfare (which costs tax money) and then paint fences on the side without paying taxes over it.

minimum wage labor etc

those sort of jobs will then open up to the public

Oh, you've got it slightly wrong...

i do?

Where are you from, jay

Netherlands

ah, got it

So, in the United States, we've got labor laws.

Minimum wage is $7.25/h

but, you see, that only applies to... LEGAL employees....

yes

when they do the whole 'terk muh jerb' meme

they're referring to illegal immigrants who come in, accept less than minimum wage for work, and live 8 people to a room in a house somewhere

occasionally, they might make a decent amount from under-the-table work

yes

I'm not so sure they generally collect wellfare

some might find a way

technically, everyone pays taxes at the store.

well true on that part

but i meant like the under the table work

If theres no illegals to do those jobs, the people who need them done will either have to do it themselves, or pay someone legally

and that would allow someone to start a business to fulfill those jobs again

But, I mean, after the hurricane that hit Texas, I tried to find work installing drywall.

I couldn't find work, because I wasn't willing to accept $5/h for that work.

not when they could hire a crew to do a whole house in an afternoon at that rate.

exactly

and my liberal progressive friend was trying to make it sound like I should count myself lucky that they're here.

yeah, fuck that.

but thats one of those free market principles

If the job needs doing and theres not enough people willing to accept "Wage A"

The power lies with those in need of <Group>

If theres too much work needed to be done, the power lies with the workers, cuz they can demand more money

If theres too much workers, the power lies with the employer who can just say, i'll pay the one that demands the least

so for minimum wage people, its very beneficial to get rid of illegal workers

^ ^ ^ absolutely

Either abolish illegal immigrants