my point was i want to know if Aussie has considered his solution beyond "Someone should fix <problem>, any imo its <problem causers>"

That's valid, and worth knowing. I've just got little patience for it, because I really don't think he knows his ideology.

I'm halfway to thinking that he's actually been a Poe all along.

A Poe?

Look up Poe's Law.

Essentially, I question whether or not he's been a performance art work of satire this whole time.

a joke that you cant tell cuz its close to being serious

Aka the onion these days

lol

That's true.

I generally see a facebook post from The Onion

question if that was a real thing

Through no fault of their own

thats why i wanna know if theres more to his white-nationalism,

cuz "lol pro-hitler"
and "gtfo nub" isnt productive and might be the joke

then see 'The Onion' byline, and that's the only way I know

Poor onion. They have become a real news site

I will credit Aryan with this: He's really refined my stance on Free Speech.

Oh?

Simply by having to deal with him, I've learned full and well to tolerate and combat ideas and speech I disagree with with more speech as opposed to trying to get him banned or blocking him, etc.

😛

The fact that I haven't taken the easy way and just blocked him, that's where I'm getting swole.

im indifferent, to me free-speech for such conversations lead to one of two things:
If it IS just a joke all along, good on him
If he's real, its just more rope for the noose around the argument

We've had some fun arguments with him in the past.

"We tried." - Subverse, probably.

Granted, I would be very satisfied if he left of his own accord... 😛

Debates and spirited conversations about Net Neutrality are far more interesting.

Community run internet nodes. The solution to net neutrality

What's the closest parallel we have to that. Ham radio? Tor network?

It's already in digital form.

We've got Torrenting

and Blockchain

Only thing that's missing is the actual infrastructure then. Unless you suggest we just buy it off ISPs.

Oh, unless he's talking about infrastrucutre.

I guess I missed that.

Yes

Each town or city having their own internet node, hooked into an internet backbone

That puts government in the mix

and takes out open market.

I don't think you could fully decentralise to that degree without something going wrong.

Backbone access costs I think 1500 a month or so. A node I think costs between 5000 and 10000 in equipment. Plus what it costs to install the lines to the backbone or buy off the isp

You ever try tor?

It's a horrible user experience.

Tor is not the same as a node.

I'm referring to rye's comment about avoiding any sort of community-owned thing.

Owned? Run? Something like that.

@RyeNorth technically it's only the city government IF the community goes through the local government. Rather than someone setting it up on their own and offering local service. for a fee.

Right now the problem IS the government.

In a lot of places they make it all but impossible to create and isp start up.

Only problem with something like that would be not being able to really guarantee any certainty of uptime.

Well, that would depend on the money put into hardware

You'd have to insure that every node along the way is working.

And wireless only would deeeefinitely be a huge step backwards in stability.

What do you mean? You connect to a backbone network. That is what ISPs hook up to. From there, it's distributed out to the community. You could go the way of your current meshes, which are problematic as they go from router to router, meaning you are going through like 15 routers before getting to the node. Or you set it up for people to Hardline right to hub

The idea of centralizing in a hub is because connection right to a backbone costs that 1500 monthly. Split that costs across several households is better than each household paying for their own connections

Ah I see. When you say replacing the system I was thinking that'd include dropping from both the government and the massive corporations currently running the system.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2018/01/09/mesh-networks-provide-alternative-intenet-connection.amp

Yes, exactly. And it's already a thing. Just need to fine ways to expand it

..Neat.

Under current systems, it would inevitably go through the city, though.

I could see a city crack down on a system like this citing zoning law if they wanted to.

Mesh networking really does look like what HAM radio already uses but for bigger loads.

idk where to put this so ill put it here http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/day-for-freedom-tommy-robinson

because based on my read this is obviously narrative driven

https://youtu.be/LnE1mmgAxjY

https://twitter.com/muddycreekU/status/994430728275247104

Amazing.

How someone could be that deluded is beyond me

https://i.imgur.com/sFer7Kc.jpg

its like that 😛

You guys heard of Freenet? https://freenetproject.org/

> Freenet is free software which lets you anonymously share files, browse and publish "freesites" (web sites accessible only through Freenet) and chat on forums, without fear of censorship. Freenet is decentralised to make it less vulnerable to attack, and if used in "darknet" mode, where users only connect to their friends, is very difficult to detect.

their website mentions their copyright policy (i.e. that copyright will not and cannot be enforced), but the same goes for illegal material. these people risk prosecution under FOSTA

like tor this network will be heavily used by pedophiles

And? The unfortunatete reality is that you either accept their ability to post things, and go after them in person. Or you force them into hiding so you pretend they don't exist.

Your inability to see them doesn't make them go away, and it may not even limit their ability to get victims

hmmm if i understand the tech correctly, if that is the case one may unknowingly store encrypted, replicated CP on their computer

but is it really subject to FOTSA given it's just software and not a service?

like i can write a todo list on kidnap and rape with word, and MS aren't liable for that

By my understanding of FOSTA, it's actually left ambiguous as to whether or not Microsoft would be liable, especially since they no longer sell permanent licenses to consumers, but rather Software As A Service (eg., Office 365 is actually a software service, not a software product). I may be wrong, though.

And since OneDrive is a web hosting service, it's likely that if you save the file to your OneDrive folder instead of to your local hard drive, they are unambiguously liable.

Moonbat14, Microsoft just announced an overhaul to Skype, Office and all that stuff that they own your documents and if you are using their service for nefarious means they have the right to terminate your account. You can call it coincidence that this happened in lock step with FOSTA if you want.

What to make of this? http://www.theweek.co.uk/93657/ukraine-s-dolphin-army-in-patriotic-hunger-strike-after-russian-capture

Dolphins are the Ultimate Ukrainian nationalists

http://archive.is/Wx6CE buzzfeed hitpiece on internet bloodsports and superchats

Of course they would have a hit piece on Superchat.

They've gone after advertisers already..

They only get to make a dent on Super Chats if Youtube lets them. We'll see how it plays.

@Timcast http://www.businessinsider.com/journalists-brains-function-at-a-lower-level-than-average-2017-5

How is that fake news?

Seems like settled science to me.

@RyeNorth mostly because its old. And included anyone who called themselves a journalist. so most of tumblr

“ The FBI informant who monitored the Trump campaign, Stefan Halper, oversaw a CIA spying operation in the 1980 presidential election “ by Glenn Greenwald on The Intercept

The lie that this was just an FBI “ informant” embedded to protect the Trump campaign has been destroyed. This was a professional CIA political spy.


http://archive.today/p1x7w

@Timcast Hey there Tim, another great well thought piece on alt right and intelectual dark web here:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/22/when-the-media-starts-celebrating-hipster-fascists-something-has-gone-very-wrong

You would think that Germany would have learned from their recent history. https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/05/germany-will-now-train-asylum-seekers-to-become-truck-drivers/

@zutt lol

@Deleted User Can you find me better citation for that? I found the article on Dangerous.com as well, but it only links back to Voice of Europe with no citation.

The closest it comes is what Voice of Europe refers to as an 'Austrian Tabloid'

I saw that on a meme site. And even the people there say it only has one news site as a source

I was going to make a joke about the German government assuming that the trucks of peace only didn't know how to drive the equipment, and were exclaiming Allahu Ackbar in surprise at hitting people, but without actual citation, the gallows humor joke is a joke on a joke.

You'd think if there was a program that they're trying to get them in to, there'd be more evidence about it.