I don't think you could fully decentralise to that degree without something going wrong.

Backbone access costs I think 1500 a month or so. A node I think costs between 5000 and 10000 in equipment. Plus what it costs to install the lines to the backbone or buy off the isp

You ever try tor?

It's a horrible user experience.

Tor is not the same as a node.

I'm referring to rye's comment about avoiding any sort of community-owned thing.

Owned? Run? Something like that.

@RyeNorth technically it's only the city government IF the community goes through the local government. Rather than someone setting it up on their own and offering local service. for a fee.

Right now the problem IS the government.

In a lot of places they make it all but impossible to create and isp start up.

Only problem with something like that would be not being able to really guarantee any certainty of uptime.

Well, that would depend on the money put into hardware

You'd have to insure that every node along the way is working.

And wireless only would deeeefinitely be a huge step backwards in stability.

What do you mean? You connect to a backbone network. That is what ISPs hook up to. From there, it's distributed out to the community. You could go the way of your current meshes, which are problematic as they go from router to router, meaning you are going through like 15 routers before getting to the node. Or you set it up for people to Hardline right to hub

The idea of centralizing in a hub is because connection right to a backbone costs that 1500 monthly. Split that costs across several households is better than each household paying for their own connections

Ah I see. When you say replacing the system I was thinking that'd include dropping from both the government and the massive corporations currently running the system.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2018/01/09/mesh-networks-provide-alternative-intenet-connection.amp

Yes, exactly. And it's already a thing. Just need to fine ways to expand it

..Neat.

Under current systems, it would inevitably go through the city, though.

I could see a city crack down on a system like this citing zoning law if they wanted to.

Mesh networking really does look like what HAM radio already uses but for bigger loads.

idk where to put this so ill put it here http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/day-for-freedom-tommy-robinson

because based on my read this is obviously narrative driven

https://youtu.be/LnE1mmgAxjY

https://twitter.com/muddycreekU/status/994430728275247104

Amazing.

How someone could be that deluded is beyond me

https://i.imgur.com/sFer7Kc.jpg

its like that 😛

You guys heard of Freenet? https://freenetproject.org/

> Freenet is free software which lets you anonymously share files, browse and publish "freesites" (web sites accessible only through Freenet) and chat on forums, without fear of censorship. Freenet is decentralised to make it less vulnerable to attack, and if used in "darknet" mode, where users only connect to their friends, is very difficult to detect.

their website mentions their copyright policy (i.e. that copyright will not and cannot be enforced), but the same goes for illegal material. these people risk prosecution under FOSTA

like tor this network will be heavily used by pedophiles

And? The unfortunatete reality is that you either accept their ability to post things, and go after them in person. Or you force them into hiding so you pretend they don't exist.

Your inability to see them doesn't make them go away, and it may not even limit their ability to get victims

hmmm if i understand the tech correctly, if that is the case one may unknowingly store encrypted, replicated CP on their computer

but is it really subject to FOTSA given it's just software and not a service?

like i can write a todo list on kidnap and rape with word, and MS aren't liable for that

By my understanding of FOSTA, it's actually left ambiguous as to whether or not Microsoft would be liable, especially since they no longer sell permanent licenses to consumers, but rather Software As A Service (eg., Office 365 is actually a software service, not a software product). I may be wrong, though.