Message from @Giant Energy Penis

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2018-05-07 23:06:29 UTC  

Yes

2018-05-07 23:07:27 UTC  

Each town or city having their own internet node, hooked into an internet backbone

2018-05-07 23:08:24 UTC  

That puts government in the mix

2018-05-07 23:08:32 UTC  

and takes out open market.

2018-05-07 23:08:43 UTC  

I don't think you could fully decentralise to that degree without something going wrong.

2018-05-07 23:08:45 UTC  

Backbone access costs I think 1500 a month or so. A node I think costs between 5000 and 10000 in equipment. Plus what it costs to install the lines to the backbone or buy off the isp

2018-05-07 23:08:46 UTC  

You ever try tor?

2018-05-07 23:08:51 UTC  

It's a horrible user experience.

2018-05-07 23:09:06 UTC  

Tor is not the same as a node.

2018-05-07 23:09:35 UTC  

I'm referring to rye's comment about avoiding any sort of community-owned thing.

2018-05-07 23:09:41 UTC  

Owned? Run? Something like that.

2018-05-07 23:10:19 UTC  

@RyeNorth technically it's only the city government IF the community goes through the local government. Rather than someone setting it up on their own and offering local service. for a fee.

2018-05-07 23:11:33 UTC  

Right now the problem IS the government.

2018-05-07 23:12:08 UTC  

In a lot of places they make it all but impossible to create and isp start up.

2018-05-07 23:12:28 UTC  

Only problem with something like that would be not being able to really guarantee any certainty of uptime.

2018-05-07 23:12:50 UTC  

Well, that would depend on the money put into hardware

2018-05-07 23:12:53 UTC  

You'd have to insure that every node along the way is working.

2018-05-07 23:13:21 UTC  

And wireless only would deeeefinitely be a huge step backwards in stability.

2018-05-07 23:14:57 UTC  

What do you mean? You connect to a backbone network. That is what ISPs hook up to. From there, it's distributed out to the community. You could go the way of your current meshes, which are problematic as they go from router to router, meaning you are going through like 15 routers before getting to the node. Or you set it up for people to Hardline right to hub

2018-05-07 23:16:01 UTC  

The idea of centralizing in a hub is because connection right to a backbone costs that 1500 monthly. Split that costs across several households is better than each household paying for their own connections

2018-05-07 23:17:24 UTC  

Ah I see. When you say replacing the system I was thinking that'd include dropping from both the government and the massive corporations currently running the system.

2018-05-07 23:18:19 UTC  

Yes, exactly. And it's already a thing. Just need to fine ways to expand it

2018-05-07 23:19:35 UTC  

..Neat.

2018-05-07 23:33:54 UTC  

Under current systems, it would inevitably go through the city, though.

2018-05-07 23:35:08 UTC  

I could see a city crack down on a system like this citing zoning law if they wanted to.

2018-05-07 23:35:41 UTC  

Mesh networking really does look like what HAM radio already uses but for bigger loads.

2018-05-07 23:50:11 UTC  
2018-05-07 23:52:50 UTC  

because based on my read this is obviously narrative driven

2018-05-10 02:12:43 UTC  
2018-05-10 04:17:22 UTC  

Amazing.

2018-05-10 07:52:40 UTC  

How someone could be that deluded is beyond me

2018-05-10 08:26:58 UTC  
2018-05-10 08:27:01 UTC  

its like that 😛

2018-05-11 00:49:01 UTC  

You guys heard of Freenet? https://freenetproject.org/

2018-05-11 00:49:12 UTC  

> Freenet is free software which lets you anonymously share files, browse and publish "freesites" (web sites accessible only through Freenet) and chat on forums, without fear of censorship. Freenet is decentralised to make it less vulnerable to attack, and if used in "darknet" mode, where users only connect to their friends, is very difficult to detect.

2018-05-11 01:27:25 UTC  

their website mentions their copyright policy (i.e. that copyright will not and cannot be enforced), but the same goes for illegal material. these people risk prosecution under FOSTA

2018-05-11 01:28:17 UTC  

like tor this network will be heavily used by pedophiles

2018-05-11 01:40:55 UTC  

And? The unfortunatete reality is that you either accept their ability to post things, and go after them in person. Or you force them into hiding so you pretend they don't exist.

2018-05-11 01:41:40 UTC  

Your inability to see them doesn't make them go away, and it may not even limit their ability to get victims