Message from @Giant Energy Penis

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2018-05-07 22:59:57 UTC  

im indifferent, to me free-speech for such conversations lead to one of two things:
If it IS just a joke all along, good on him
If he's real, its just more rope for the noose around the argument

2018-05-07 23:00:03 UTC  

We've had some fun arguments with him in the past.

2018-05-07 23:00:16 UTC  

"We tried." - Subverse, probably.

2018-05-07 23:00:44 UTC  

Granted, I would be very satisfied if he left of his own accord... 😛

2018-05-07 23:01:26 UTC  

Debates and spirited conversations about Net Neutrality are far more interesting.

2018-05-07 23:03:02 UTC  

Community run internet nodes. The solution to net neutrality

2018-05-07 23:03:25 UTC  

What's the closest parallel we have to that. Ham radio? Tor network?

2018-05-07 23:04:43 UTC  

It's already in digital form.

2018-05-07 23:04:51 UTC  

We've got Torrenting

2018-05-07 23:04:53 UTC  

and Blockchain

2018-05-07 23:05:50 UTC  

Only thing that's missing is the actual infrastructure then. Unless you suggest we just buy it off ISPs.

2018-05-07 23:06:13 UTC  

Oh, unless he's talking about infrastrucutre.

2018-05-07 23:06:18 UTC  

I guess I missed that.

2018-05-07 23:06:29 UTC  

Yes

2018-05-07 23:07:27 UTC  

Each town or city having their own internet node, hooked into an internet backbone

2018-05-07 23:08:24 UTC  

That puts government in the mix

2018-05-07 23:08:32 UTC  

and takes out open market.

2018-05-07 23:08:43 UTC  

I don't think you could fully decentralise to that degree without something going wrong.

2018-05-07 23:08:45 UTC  

Backbone access costs I think 1500 a month or so. A node I think costs between 5000 and 10000 in equipment. Plus what it costs to install the lines to the backbone or buy off the isp

2018-05-07 23:08:46 UTC  

You ever try tor?

2018-05-07 23:08:51 UTC  

It's a horrible user experience.

2018-05-07 23:09:06 UTC  

Tor is not the same as a node.

2018-05-07 23:09:35 UTC  

I'm referring to rye's comment about avoiding any sort of community-owned thing.

2018-05-07 23:09:41 UTC  

Owned? Run? Something like that.

2018-05-07 23:10:19 UTC  

@RyeNorth technically it's only the city government IF the community goes through the local government. Rather than someone setting it up on their own and offering local service. for a fee.

2018-05-07 23:11:33 UTC  

Right now the problem IS the government.

2018-05-07 23:12:08 UTC  

In a lot of places they make it all but impossible to create and isp start up.

2018-05-07 23:12:28 UTC  

Only problem with something like that would be not being able to really guarantee any certainty of uptime.

2018-05-07 23:12:50 UTC  

Well, that would depend on the money put into hardware

2018-05-07 23:12:53 UTC  

You'd have to insure that every node along the way is working.

2018-05-07 23:13:21 UTC  

And wireless only would deeeefinitely be a huge step backwards in stability.

2018-05-07 23:14:57 UTC  

What do you mean? You connect to a backbone network. That is what ISPs hook up to. From there, it's distributed out to the community. You could go the way of your current meshes, which are problematic as they go from router to router, meaning you are going through like 15 routers before getting to the node. Or you set it up for people to Hardline right to hub

2018-05-07 23:16:01 UTC  

The idea of centralizing in a hub is because connection right to a backbone costs that 1500 monthly. Split that costs across several households is better than each household paying for their own connections

2018-05-07 23:17:24 UTC  

Ah I see. When you say replacing the system I was thinking that'd include dropping from both the government and the massive corporations currently running the system.

2018-05-07 23:18:19 UTC  

Yes, exactly. And it's already a thing. Just need to fine ways to expand it

2018-05-07 23:19:35 UTC  

..Neat.

2018-05-07 23:33:54 UTC  

Under current systems, it would inevitably go through the city, though.

2018-05-07 23:35:08 UTC  

I could see a city crack down on a system like this citing zoning law if they wanted to.

2018-05-07 23:35:41 UTC  

Mesh networking really does look like what HAM radio already uses but for bigger loads.

2018-05-07 23:50:11 UTC