about whether or not heavy penalties are efficient.

it isnt, because you can argue that it's not a necessary causal relationship, which you did

which means you *disagree* with the premise

well the cost should be outside of the trials cost

ya, there's not enough information, so i will just have to go with hesitant again.

but if you raise the level of punishment, proper procedures are a necessary cost increase

>disagree with the premise
>but I can think of one instance I made up right now where it could be true

because without having a goal in mind i can't determine the efficiency.

death penalty cost the same as jailing, up till you kill the person then there is a bit more of a cost. then you hand the body over and have no cost after that

repeated appeals to make sure you dont kill the wrong person = more money spent, killing someone = less cash flow in the economy
further, the comparison was to a 100 dollar fine, not jail time

In the US the process of the death penalty costs more than jailing for life

well old days they either marked to let people know he was a thief the person and banished them, or just hung them since they couldn't afford to incarcerate

you can't be arrested, or at least convicted, for involuntary manslaughter right?

They sure did

It does cost alot but idk about jailing for life, but you do have to count the cost in of jailing them for like 10 years or so before you kill them

they also had far fewer methods for figuring out guilt, so who knows how many times they got the wrong answer?

people convict for involuntary manslaughter

uh, ya, not gonna complete this test. Taking like 20 minutes for me to consider each question and ultimately give up and just mark neutral.

Indeed.

thats because you're inventing reasons to not give an answer at this point

Not at all, the statements are just unclear

He's just not being reckless

"do you agree with X"
"Not entirely, but I'll pick neutral anyway"

kek

they are missing information

What's X?

the statement

I can't disagree with something I don't know what it is.

can't agree with it either.

I cant possibly believe you are not doing this on purpose

Well my perspective changes based on the goal. The goals aren't mentioned.

yeah I'm not bothering with this anymore lol. GLHF

apparently there is yet another movie featuring the joker?

ok?

They're going to run the Joker's reputation into the ground by constantly switching actors and putting him in every mediocre movie

can we just throw anyone who utters the words "origin story" in a pitch into a dumpster? I feel like that solves roughly half the problem

Ya, i prefer luke skywalker as the joker.

thats a conservative estimate, fwiw

idk, the lack of origina stories was a problem for DC movies...

I think it was the lack of good movies

You dont really need an origin story for batman or superman. Everyone knows that story

DC just makes bad films yeah

I really like origin stories, but DC just hasn't done good ones.

ya, but the stories change with the times.

so, you kinda do.

you don't nee dto rebooot them every other year though...

Every Batman Origin Story movie is "Criminal killed my parents and I'm rich"

bit more to it than that.

just like every Spiderman origin story movie is "Uncle Ben died because I was a cock and didnt use my radioactive spider powers". They just skipped it for the new one from what I've heard

and theyre just formulaic at this point

The spiderman PS4 game did a pretty funny nod to the sam raimi movies

I tried to watch Dr Strange for instance, then went "Oh okay, I know the 2 new things they'll show here" and left the room

At one point you're on an out of control subway train and he goes to the front and starts doing the thing from spiderman 2 where he webs up the walls and trys to hold on, but the webs all just snaps and he's like "I was so sure that would work"

wew

but yeah I think DC needs to do what Marvel was forced to do. Leave the biggest names out, work with the next level down or lower

they just need to not get caught in a formula, like Marvel also did

Shazam is actually a good move. It looks pleasant

I *might* actually watch it

marvel put in the time to build the characters

I wonder if Marvel using the superheroes that normies are less familiar with like Thor and Ironman helped them out. Like if it helped audiences get over the stigma of 'ewww nerdy superheroes'

well I mean people watched Thor for cheesecake

lets be real here

To be fair there wasn't much else going for the first movie.

but I think people enjoy at least the superificial difference of having a lesser known, more obscure character show up

MCU doesn't have the rights to my favorite guys, Magneto and Dr Doom

So I don't watch

didnt they buy Fox's shit?

or has that not gone through still?

idk, some ppl watched thor just to see how different it was...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCQug0FEvZ0

They bought Fox's entertainment stuff yeah.

All the X-men movie rights are Sony though, but they've been teaming up with them more

They should just make the X-people with characters like "Tazmanian Devil"

how were the X-Men movie rights Sony's if Fox was the distributor?

like the whole point behind buying Fox was getting X-Men and Fantastic Four (so they can stop being blown up in the comics :^) )

ya i thought spiderman was sony, xmen were fox

Oh yeah, I was wrong on that one

Also they can start putting the X-men on their merch

Like they were selling shirts of iconic comic covers in Target or whatever and removing the X-men from them

I'm genuinely disappointed that they didnt try to milk Civil War and actually do the whole thing

granted, they would have fucked it up

but it wouldnt have been dudes in suits on a runway

I mean they could actually do a better job of it now, since they have access to everyone finally

but they blew the name on Cap3

They did a better job at making Iron Man appear sympathetic though

In the movie than in the comic

hopefully they don't fuck up Avengers vs Xmen

When are they making a Marvel vs Capcom movie

when they can make a good game again

@Timcast based on the outline of what you mean by rare, and such, and saying over 50% would be what youd call common, i would say false accusations are common.

Seen as we can proof something between 29% and 41% of accusations individualy to be false beyond a shadow of a doubt (data from 2009 germany and 1994 US respectivly)

The disagreement isnt about the term rare its about the data

where I live it's over 50 percent

It may be but you probably cant proof it in over 50% of cases

or maybe you can

the 29% and 41% figures are actualy lowballs

based on ONE piece of evidence which in itself does proof that its a lie. In case of 29% and germany, selfinflicted injuries presented as stemming from a rape, in case of 41% in the US based on the accuser ADMITTING to have lied. There may well be evidence proving other accusations false as well

In any case i would aquitt if i was in the US and in the jury of a rape trial. Regardless of evidence

If i personaly saw the guy chasing then holding down a struggling woman, i would not convict

Reason being, it couldve been some BDSM playsession

she may have had a safeword

and becouse her sexual history cant be used as evidence, the defense cant announce this fact.

If a fair trial is impossible, you have no choice but to aquitt

And im not the first to say exactly that

What if theres video evidence,
8 witnesses
And the man was found on top of the woman proclaiming "I'm glad i raped the woman"?

I mean i was trying to portray something to that effect with what i described

woudln't that technically make rape legal in your country?🤔

i guess now you have in addition to that the guy himself describing it as rape

in your description

ys it would

that would just be a short trip to vigilante justice me thinks

and id prefer that over the current situation

Lol I didn't know john wick was in psycho pass

Vigilante justice allready happens against the falsely accused

Oh no one is arguing the current situation is good,

Right now its listen and believe, and the man is shoved off to jail instantly

Do you guys think China's social credit score system is a good idea?

no

I personally kinda like it

Its a bad idea

You like the idea of socially and financially alienating people who don't agree with the state?

Well we do have a system for that in western countries.

It's a measurable metric, one you can track.

Its called psychiatry

I guess what I don't like the amount of power the government will have

which is the whole point of the social score system

that the government can just control your score behind the scenes

Well, that is the way it is announced, as a measurable metric the government manipulates behind the scenes

They don't like you? you lose points

People who asociate with you lose points

People dont wanna asociate with you
You get places behind the line on help/finances

You effectively become exiled

Isnt it?

But that happens in every country

except with vague standards

thats person to person

or at best if you're famous, by media

but the government doesn't just cause you to lose your social circle and make life difficult for you if you disagree with their political preferences

Its one of those systems where its okay, as long as you're a pet to the government

You are nice? You get treats

And then an authoritarian anti-current-government government takes over,

Looks at the high-score and executes those people for being sycophants to the previous state

Shouldnt they execute themselves if they are anti-current-government? 😉 jk

I tip Tims beanie to you sir, you are technically correct,

THE BEST KIND of Correct!

^^

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Tim, usualy when i heard anyone define the deep state, thats exactly the type of people they described. State Beurocrats, officers, agents, social workers employed by the state,...,...

Unless veritas catches bigger game then it’s not really the deep state.

it is

at least the way most people appear to be using the term

Deeps state has far more power than a few low level employees trying to slowball things or using government resources for harassment campaigns.

Yes

Social workers in paticular are very powerful

I disagree Punks. I think much more of higher ups. Not small fry working in small group or alone trying to stick it the man.

Indoctrinating the disabled people they take care of or even voting for them

Deep state are the people who can bribe, assassinate, pass legislation, wiretap, etc.

If you don't have security clearance I don't think you can be class as 'deep state'

the deep state by definition can not pass legislation at least. Policies at most

The Dear Colleague letter being a prime example of public activity of the deep state

i don't know, i've always understood 'deep state' to mean exactly what project veritas is showing, just at a higher level: unelected lifetime bureaucrats manipulating and undermining the legitimate government. people like lois lerner and john koskinen.

they get to hide behind miles of bureaucracy and red tape, are completely unaccountable and can't possibly be fired for malfeasance.

if you become a political enemy of theirs, they can just leak government records about you, start investigations, audits, inspections, cancel permits, pressure your bank to cancel your account or deny services. lots of ways they can fuck with you and no one would have any way to stop them or even know it was happening.

Calling low level employees the deep state makes it easier to laugh off the entire concept.

these are just the stupid ones

The ones who get caught

The bigger issue though, is where are the people condemning this? You dont see their higher ups taking care of this

Apparently it was being looked into.

But then again it could be looked into by deep state people.

It does not count if its just the same org investigating itself

Its like google has investigated google and has concluded google has done nothing

nothing happened to lerner or koskinen. they were able to abuse their unelected office for partisan ends and they both walked away scot free.

Right. Deep state investigating the deep state.

"As of June 25, 2014, Koskinen had contributed almost USD $100,000 to Democratic candidates and groups." -

retired, drawing a pension

Don't forget about the Soros ✡ Shekels

lerner is also retired and drawing a pension.

the people in the project veritas videos will not be in any way affected. i'd bet money on it.

Nobody will care as well

Or even remember

the left memebers

What site posted this?

that was on sargon's latest vid , its a shoop

ah

Too much to ask for I guess

looks legit as fuck though

I have to ask as well

As I can think of no site that will post that

Even the "right wing" ones

@Rabbi Shekels soygn of Applebees sure can shop

it wasnt sargon it was some liberalists lemme timstamp for you

https://youtu.be/myl6w-9LjSM?t=15m13s

I gave him to much credit 😂😂😂😂

He was quite boring

The replacement guy i mean

Also how do you speak about brexit and ignore the northern ireland question is beyond me. Its almost like he had no clue what he is talking about

😏

Just about to watch. Is this one worth the watch or can i skip it and watch styx like usual during breakfast

Well he had few interesting news about police

But didnt provide enough info on that

Hmm

I'll probably watch it later :/

It was no

wouldn't be proper British without discounting the Irish as unimportant subhumans.

Sargon

Yeh they tend to do that lel

Calling them potatoes

Oof lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFAUgMrA8o

yeah i agree the guy that covered sargon was boring but he prob a liberalists

Anyone go to Mythcon? What are your thoughts?

fee like, if i had the money, there is a marketing opening up here for like non-political payment processing and the like

Honestly, I thought Tim Pool was one of the best speakers, he was critical of many political sides, and didn't bow down to any political agenda. He speaks in short, but very concise sentences.

easy ad: "We don't ban you for your political opinions"

@VibrantGoo how was mythcon overall for you ?

aside from the bomb scare

seems like that would take up a lot of the attention

somebody really ought to create some sort of system to take the wind out of bomb hoaxes

Overall, it was not that great. People were not really understanding the other side, while the audience was cheering when the speaker made a "good" point. It ended with a terrible Sargon debate over semantics.

maybe it should be impossible to contact the organizers on the day of the event without tickets.

then third parties would be unable to create scares

@Grenade123 that won't work because the payment processors are dependent on the credit card monopolies, who have no qualms about forcing them into compliance.

@VibrantGoo damn that sucks , seems like no one wants to find common ground

and there's no such thing as "just make your own credit card company bro"

I don't know how credible the bomb scare was, seems like it was more of a liability issue

sorry, i meant like the whole thing

hence "if i had the money"

"the money" in this case been billions of dollars to bootstrap a credit card firm that wouldn't have name recognition to compete with existing firms.

@Rabbi Shekels Agree, seems like people are so used to their political bubble that when they leave, people think their ideas are crazy and don't know how to respond.

of course, the alternative is to find some of those smaller, backwater credit card companies, and offer investment in them to boost their services to help reach a wider market, in exchange for a large enough cut of equity to control the decisions

the biggest danger is banks, but you could start with creating a credit union of sorts and add on credit card services follow by payment processing.

Other than Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover what other credit card companies are there?

Done case closed

https://twitter.com/neounrealist/status/1043529933967044608?s=21

as the dems would say

id say kavanaugh is off the hook since we should apply the same standard

@Atkins ones not in America. There are more that are mainly bank to bank, which is where starting a credit union takes effect

and those are networks, not just companies

its like who owns the backbone internet lines vs just an ISP

alternatively, in theory you could probably use a crypto or something to start your own, idk. need to learn what makes them a network and how you'd make one

of course defcon would have a document on this https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-11/dc-11-presentations/dc-11-Imhoff/Credit-Card-Networks-101.pdf

nice find ^

i think the biggest problem as to why there is not much in terms of alternatives popping up is as much as not knowing how to make the thing as it is cost of entry

I need to go to DEF CON again now that I'm of age to drink in the U.S.

i need to go

Last time I went, I was 17, so I had to lie to the hotel to even be allowed to stay. Contract relies on direct liability.

Cool vinyl record badge thing though, with coded message on it.

don't bring any tech to def con if you don't want someone to hack it the brag about it

I brought a fresh Chromebook for that reason.

I'm glad I did, since I ended up installing crouton at the conference, so that I could use a USB serial lead which was part of the tamper-evident village challenge, which sadly none of us completed. Nobody else was comfortable plugging a completely random USB lead into their precious ThinkPads.

(though I did my part, figuring out that the baud rate was 42 on that serial adapter, and decoding the [vaguely enciphered] message.)

god, this doc is from 2003 and mentions dial-up modem

oh well, the tech might change, the basics dont