Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-09-23 06:32:36 UTC  

no that's not the statement

2018-09-23 06:32:56 UTC  

yes it is, thats literally the statement

2018-09-23 06:33:18 UTC  

"Heavy penalties are *efficient* **because** they are *dissuasive*"

2018-09-23 06:33:28 UTC  

I could take the test, as long as I don't care about accuracy it seems

2018-09-23 06:34:02 UTC  

this isnt even a difficult question

2018-09-23 06:34:20 UTC  

sure it is

2018-09-23 06:36:37 UTC  

I mean, let's say you have a fine of $100 dollar for stealing a candybar, any candybar. Then let's say you have a penalty of death for stealing a candybar. Now you have to think about efficiency. Well the cost of enforcing the one is much much greater than the other, so on that end it's certianly less efficient if your goal is to save money, plus ppl are more willing ot just pay the $100 making money. On the other hand if the goal is to prevent people from stealing candybars...

2018-09-23 06:37:56 UTC  

death penalty costs more than 100 bucks fwiw

2018-09-23 06:38:11 UTC  

unless you just cap people on the spot without a trail, which the question isnt assuming is the case

2018-09-23 06:38:36 UTC  

but it's information that's required for me to make an informed decision

2018-09-23 06:38:48 UTC  

about whether or not heavy penalties are efficient.

2018-09-23 06:38:59 UTC  

it isnt, because you can argue that it's not a necessary causal relationship, which you did

2018-09-23 06:39:07 UTC  

which means you *disagree* with the premise

2018-09-23 06:40:07 UTC  

well the cost should be outside of the trials cost

2018-09-23 06:40:27 UTC  

ya, there's not enough information, so i will just have to go with hesitant again.

2018-09-23 06:40:28 UTC  

but if you raise the level of punishment, proper procedures are a necessary cost increase

2018-09-23 06:40:47 UTC  

>disagree with the premise
>but I can think of one instance I made up right now where it could be true

2018-09-23 06:40:50 UTC  

because without having a goal in mind i can't determine the efficiency.

2018-09-23 06:41:50 UTC  

death penalty cost the same as jailing, up till you kill the person then there is a bit more of a cost. then you hand the body over and have no cost after that

2018-09-23 06:43:04 UTC  

repeated appeals to make sure you dont kill the wrong person = more money spent, killing someone = less cash flow in the economy
further, the comparison was to a 100 dollar fine, not jail time

2018-09-23 06:43:34 UTC  

In the US the process of the death penalty costs more than jailing for life

2018-09-23 06:44:33 UTC  

well old days they either marked to let people know he was a thief the person and banished them, or just hung them since they couldn't afford to incarcerate

2018-09-23 06:44:42 UTC  

you can't be arrested, or at least convicted, for involuntary manslaughter right?

2018-09-23 06:44:42 UTC  

They sure did

2018-09-23 06:45:25 UTC  

It does cost alot but idk about jailing for life, but you do have to count the cost in of jailing them for like 10 years or so before you kill them

2018-09-23 06:45:28 UTC  

they also had far fewer methods for figuring out guilt, so who knows how many times they got the wrong answer?

2018-09-23 06:45:56 UTC  

people convict for involuntary manslaughter

2018-09-23 06:46:11 UTC  

uh, ya, not gonna complete this test. Taking like 20 minutes for me to consider each question and ultimately give up and just mark neutral.

2018-09-23 06:46:28 UTC  

Indeed.

2018-09-23 06:46:42 UTC  

thats because you're inventing reasons to not give an answer at this point

2018-09-23 06:46:55 UTC  

Not at all, the statements are just unclear

2018-09-23 06:46:55 UTC  

He's just not being reckless

2018-09-23 06:46:57 UTC  

"do you agree with X"
"Not entirely, but I'll pick neutral anyway"

2018-09-23 06:46:58 UTC  

kek

2018-09-23 06:46:59 UTC  

they are missing information

2018-09-23 06:47:12 UTC  

What's X?

2018-09-23 06:47:18 UTC  

the statement

2018-09-23 06:47:22 UTC  

I can't disagree with something I don't know what it is.

2018-09-23 06:47:26 UTC  

can't agree with it either.

2018-09-23 06:47:41 UTC  

I cant possibly believe you are not doing this on purpose

2018-09-23 06:48:24 UTC  

Well my perspective changes based on the goal. The goals aren't mentioned.