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stalin was a great man
how can you save the world without it
.agree
guns aren't banned in cuba lol
cuba's private gun ownership rate is low but it's still higher than about 74 countries
juan peron was a true radical centrist
his analysis of the indian situation is utterly facile, like everything he tries to talk about
no he needs to stop being an idiot
he needs to examine the specific policy changes that led to the shift we have seen in India's economy since the early 90's and their effects
especially as you could provide strong counterexamples
like with Japan growing rapidly under heavy state intervention and experiencing anemic growth after liberalization
or how in Chile poverty skyrocketed and growth was stagnant during Pinochet's administration and after his laissez faire policies were scaled back by the succession of center left governments that came after Chile started growing and poverty started dropping
or how most Russians are poorer today than they were 20 years ago under socialism
the specific reasons why India has grown is because of a change in trade policy and loosening of burdensome private sector regulations in an economy reliant on the private sector
they still pursue dirigiste policies to a degree
jordan peterson is so desperate to paint post-modernism and modern progressivism as being marxist
why do you think that
is it because of oppressor/oppressed memes
what does "application of Marxist theory to social structure" mean
you could do the same thing with early liberals who were an influence on marx's class theory
the core of what you're getting at is that an anlysis of power dynamics = marxism
which is silly, the core of marxism has to do with a materialist interpretation of historical development and the role class struggle plays in this development
i don't think superificial similarities between polemics constitutes these ideologies being the same
so when oldschool liberals like adolphe blanqui were writing about how there are two "classes", those who live by their own labor and oppressors who live on the labor of others
could you not just use the same example you have used with marxism and progressivism here
just replace the parasites with white men and those who live by their own labor with minorities
yes and adolphe blanqui was a classical liberal
many classical liberals had similar ideas
they were a big influence on marx
ideologies can evolve and marxism has evolved a lot
it is just that right wingers have not been able to demonstrate that modern progressivism and post-modernism as a whole represents an evolution of marxism
at least not anymore so than marxism would constitute an evolution of classical liberalism
what does that mean
how are intersectionality and feminism marxist
yeah marxist feminism is a thing
liberal feminism is also a thing
neither of these things make feminism as a whole marxist or liberal
who are some examples of prominent marxist feminists
angela davis is probably the most popular marxist feminist
that i am aware of
i don't think marxist feminists have the same reach of these sorts of rainbow capitalist feminists whose rhetoric has been taken on by third way politicians like clinton and trudeau
also on the professor comment i would like to point out that students tend to be more radical than their professors, the narrative that the radicalism of college students represents some sort of gramscian march through the institutions is not well substantiated imo
why though
like what
well first of all wealth redistribution isn't inherently marxist and marxism is not about "equality of outcome" and marx explicitly wrote that equality of outcome would not exist under socialism
i suppose a classless society would be more on the money, though this was something utopian socialists who were harshly criticized by marx advocated for as well
well marx criticized utopian socialists from a historical materialist perspective
sure and i mean liberals and fascists don't disagree on everything
liberalism and fascism are still distinct ideologies
i don't disagree with liberals on everything but i'm still opposed to liberalism
yeah but what i'm saying is that advocating for a classless society isn't inherently marxist
i usually just say socialist
without adjectives
well i'm not a progressive
but anyways
i do agree that there are progressives who are anti-capitalist and you could say there is overlap between progressives and marxists, however, would you say that the majority of "SJW" types are anti-capitalist or marxist?
answer that question before u go
actually pinochet was a communist
because starvation = gommunism xD
i think steven crowder is aggressively ignorant and i would be surprised if he had a three digit iq
conscripting women is dumb
>pinochet fanboi memeing about communism and food
xd
meanwhile socialist countries actually have greater levels of food security at similar levels of development (along with pretty much all indicators for quality of life) ๐ค
are you talking about the UMAPs or what
they were a form of alternative civilian service that hasn't been in use since 1968
countries like switzerland, austria, finland, and israel have alternative civilian service programs
how can you have newer stuff when there are only like two socialist countries now
i mean there are some edge cases you could argue
venezuela has a capitalist economy
and the "ask the people who lived under it" stuff is dumb
the soviet union and even stalin are held in high regard in russia, armenia, moldova
over 70% of hungarians said life under socialism was better
same with serbians
i'm sorry but capitalism isn't socialism
norway is closer to being a socialist country than venezuela
they are failing for similar reasons to why they did in the 80's
norway has a bigger public sector than venezuela
what do you mean they don't know any better
they literally lived under socialism and then lived under capitalism and liberalism for 15 years
scandinavian countries aren't socialist
and neither is venezuela
i agree mal
you can gave a large public sector within a capitalist economy
but by what metric could you consider venezuela to represent the collective ownership over the means of production and not norway
norway is closer because they have a bigger public sector, less of their labor force are employed in capitalist employer-employee relationships than in venezuela
why not
they've expropriated a very small portion of the private sector
in fact venezuela's public sector was bigger in 1997 before chavez was elected than in any year during his tenure
that's dumb as fuck
violating property rights in certain scenarios doesn't make them closer to being socialist, you have to look at the actual mode of production
it could be used as a way to move toward socialism
they are basically irrelevant
when you are describing the mode of production as it currently exists
by certain scenarios i mean they haven't like banned private property or expropriated the overwhelming majority of it
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