Message from @versterven
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That's the death toll of people that died at the sea.
It feels low to me
From personal conversations with some, there's also a lot of "moral" concerns, especially from younger people, on how to do the most good for the most possible people. They just do not seem to consider the wider implications of socialist policies, they merely want the "free" healthcare and similar benefits to kick in, at the expense of the rich, who in their minds obviously have enough money to pay.
What's the population of Cuba? I'm now trying to think how many people Cuba has, how many they've had for fifty years, and how many people survived the trip.
how can you have newer stuff when there are only like two socialist countries now
The "rich" seems a lot like the French Revolution where the people labeled the problem as being high society, which maybe it was a problem but not the problem.
i mean there are some edge cases you could argue
Venezuela isn't doing so well I hear.
venezuela has a capitalist economy
and the "ask the people who lived under it" stuff is dumb
Oh right, the shitholes aren't real socialists.
the soviet union and even stalin are held in high regard in russia, armenia, moldova
And I was told this garbage wouldn't be piled up anymore ever again.
"not real socialism" is also shit tier argumentation, kiddo
Gotta split hairs to defend a murderous ideology.
over 70% of hungarians said life under socialism was better
same with serbians
i'm sorry but capitalism isn't socialism
I was given my managers word that this would never happen again.
I'm sorry, but venezuelan economy isn't failing due to implementation of further capitalist policies
That's not what I've heard before.
they are failing for similar reasons to why they did in the 80's
Norway isn't stealing capital from random companies
It's my understanding that socialism done goofed the whole country.
norway has a bigger public sector than venezuela
"said was better" means nothing when they don't know any better. The only way you can make healthcare under Socialism look good is with subjective opinions of citizens that never knew what good healthcare looked like.
what do you mean they don't know any better
they literally lived under socialism and then lived under capitalism and liberalism for 15 years
But bro, muh Scandinavian socialism!
scandinavian countries aren't socialist
having a large public sector does not make you socialist
and neither is venezuela
i agree mal
you can gave a large public sector within a capitalist economy
but by what metric could you consider venezuela to represent the collective ownership over the means of production and not norway
Norway has free market economy.
so why did you say norway was closer to venezuela to socialism, when that clearly isn't correct. Which one of those two countries are stealing capital from random companies, because they think they have the right to it?
norway is closer because they have a bigger public sector, less of their labor force are employed in capitalist employer-employee relationships than in venezuela
no, a larger public sector does not make norway closer than the country that steals capital.