Message from @versterven
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meanwhile socialist countries actually have greater levels of food security at similar levels of development (along with pretty much all indicators for quality of life) 🤔
In Cuba, students have to spend a few years doing forced, unpaid labor in government farms and factories. No wonder the government makes sure every kid stays in school. Everyone is literate, and a slave.
are you talking about the UMAPs or what
they were a form of alternative civilian service that hasn't been in use since 1968
countries like switzerland, austria, finland, and israel have alternative civilian service programs
Any newer data, than stuff from the 80's? The dataset this stuff is based on, includes USSR nations, I'm assuming.
has to be taken with a relatively large grain of salt, if so, as they did not have a great track record when it came to reporting accurate data. Propaganda is a concern, when it comes to the validity of self-recorded data from socialist countries.
60k Cubans died trying to escape the utopia.
Is that this year
Or is that an estimate on a decade?
Since Castro took over, 59.
I can't figure out why people who are intelligent, well educated people love Marxism so much.
Did they study everything but history
because they've never lived under it <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
That's the death toll of people that died at the sea.
It feels low to me
From personal conversations with some, there's also a lot of "moral" concerns, especially from younger people, on how to do the most good for the most possible people. They just do not seem to consider the wider implications of socialist policies, they merely want the "free" healthcare and similar benefits to kick in, at the expense of the rich, who in their minds obviously have enough money to pay.
What's the population of Cuba? I'm now trying to think how many people Cuba has, how many they've had for fifty years, and how many people survived the trip.
how can you have newer stuff when there are only like two socialist countries now
The "rich" seems a lot like the French Revolution where the people labeled the problem as being high society, which maybe it was a problem but not the problem.
Venezuela isn't doing so well I hear.
venezuela has a capitalist economy
and the "ask the people who lived under it" stuff is dumb
Oh right, the shitholes aren't real socialists.
the soviet union and even stalin are held in high regard in russia, armenia, moldova
And I was told this garbage wouldn't be piled up anymore ever again.
"not real socialism" is also shit tier argumentation, kiddo
Gotta split hairs to defend a murderous ideology.
over 70% of hungarians said life under socialism was better
same with serbians
i'm sorry but capitalism isn't socialism
I was given my managers word that this would never happen again.
norway is closer to being a socialist country than venezuela
I'm sorry, but venezuelan economy isn't failing due to implementation of further capitalist policies
That's not what I've heard before.
they are failing for similar reasons to why they did in the 80's
Norway isn't stealing capital from random companies
It's my understanding that socialism done goofed the whole country.
norway has a bigger public sector than venezuela