Message from @versterven
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having a large public sector does not make you socialist
and neither is venezuela
i agree mal
you can gave a large public sector within a capitalist economy
but by what metric could you consider venezuela to represent the collective ownership over the means of production and not norway
Norway has free market economy.
so why did you say norway was closer to venezuela to socialism, when that clearly isn't correct. Which one of those two countries are stealing capital from random companies, because they think they have the right to it?
norway is closer because they have a bigger public sector, less of their labor force are employed in capitalist employer-employee relationships than in venezuela
no, a larger public sector does not make norway closer than the country that steals capital.
why not
they've expropriated a very small portion of the private sector
any portion at all, makes them more socialist
in fact venezuela's public sector was bigger in 1997 before chavez was elected than in any year during his tenure
that's dumb as fuck
violating property rights in certain scenarios doesn't make them closer to being socialist, you have to look at the actual mode of production
it could be used as a way to move toward socialism
You're defending violent socialist policies, and saying they're less important to establishing whether or not a country is socialist, than the relative size of the public sector.
they are basically irrelevant
when you are describing the mode of production as it currently exists
so what are these "certain scenarios" that are exempt from your considerations?
by certain scenarios i mean they haven't like banned private property or expropriated the overwhelming majority of it
they have expropriated very specific things
in norway, it is allowed for a government to expropriate property, if a public road has been planned, but the owners have to be compensated
and a very small amount
so what
are the companies being compensated in venezuela?
it doesn't matter
didn't think so
of course it matters
it doesn't
okay
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The Venezuelan government also set price controls in 2003 on around 400 basic foods in an effort according to the Washington Post, to "counter inflation and protect the poor", and in March 2009, they set minimum production quotas for 12 basic foods that were subject to price controls, including white rice, cooking oil, coffee, sugar, powdered milk, cheese, and tomato sauce.[45][46] However, these economic policies led higher inflation rates and caused more shortages which in turn hurt those in poverty.[9][47][48]```
not real socialism bro
are you implying that regulations = socialism or something
regulated capitalism is not socialism
and yeah i think a lot of these policies are silly
if you are going to rely on the private sector
"price controls aren't socialist bro"
which venezuela does
Yes, the government controlling the economy, that's one of the fundamentals of socialism.
then you have to allow the private sector to function properly