they were a form of alternative civilian service that hasn't been in use since 1968

countries like switzerland, austria, finland, and israel have alternative civilian service programs

Any newer data, than stuff from the 80's? The dataset this stuff is based on, includes USSR nations, I'm assuming.

has to be taken with a relatively large grain of salt, if so, as they did not have a great track record when it came to reporting accurate data. Propaganda is a concern, when it comes to the validity of self-recorded data from socialist countries.

60k Cubans died trying to escape the utopia.

Is that this year

Or is that an estimate on a decade?

Since Castro took over, 59.

I can't figure out why people who are intelligent, well educated people love Marxism so much.

Did they study everything but history

because they've never lived under it <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

That's the death toll of people that died at the sea.

It feels low to me

From personal conversations with some, there's also a lot of "moral" concerns, especially from younger people, on how to do the most good for the most possible people. They just do not seem to consider the wider implications of socialist policies, they merely want the "free" healthcare and similar benefits to kick in, at the expense of the rich, who in their minds obviously have enough money to pay.

What's the population of Cuba? I'm now trying to think how many people Cuba has, how many they've had for fifty years, and how many people survived the trip.

how can you have newer stuff when there are only like two socialist countries now

The "rich" seems a lot like the French Revolution where the people labeled the problem as being high society, which maybe it was a problem but not the problem.

i mean there are some edge cases you could argue

Venezuela isn't doing so well I hear.

venezuela has a capitalist economy

and the "ask the people who lived under it" stuff is dumb

Oh right, the shitholes aren't real socialists.

the soviet union and even stalin are held in high regard in russia, armenia, moldova

And I was told this garbage wouldn't be piled up anymore ever again.

"not real socialism" is also shit tier argumentation, kiddo

Gotta split hairs to defend a murderous ideology.

over 70% of hungarians said life under socialism was better

same with serbians

i'm sorry but capitalism isn't socialism

I was given my managers word that this would never happen again.

norway is closer to being a socialist country than venezuela

I'm sorry, but venezuelan economy isn't failing due to implementation of further capitalist policies

That's not what I've heard before.

they are failing for similar reasons to why they did in the 80's

Norway isn't stealing capital from random companies

It's my understanding that socialism done goofed the whole country.

norway has a bigger public sector than venezuela

"said was better" means nothing when they don't know any better. The only way you can make healthcare under Socialism look good is with subjective opinions of citizens that never knew what good healthcare looked like.

what do you mean they don't know any better

they literally lived under socialism and then lived under capitalism and liberalism for 15 years