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2018-03-22 02:26:50 UTC

okay, so what does "globalism" mean to you?

2018-03-22 02:27:05 UTC

in particular, what policies do you think are required to be advocated for, and on what grounds?

2018-03-22 02:27:19 UTC

why is everyone in this chat so angry all of the time

2018-03-22 02:27:34 UTC

I don't perceive any anger here tbh

2018-03-22 02:27:42 UTC

just mockery mixed with strident debate spirit

2018-03-22 02:28:07 UTC

``` playing defintional games and engaging in sophistry.
and then randomly spouting quotes that nobody gives a shit about


2018-03-22 02:28:09 UTC


2018-03-22 02:28:13 UTC

I wonder why

2018-03-22 02:28:17 UTC

strident debate spirit == angery

2018-03-22 02:28:31 UTC


2018-03-22 02:28:36 UTC

what you're saying is that

2018-03-22 02:28:48 UTC

Damian == being a dip

2018-03-22 02:28:58 UTC

also something about lobsters presumably

2018-03-22 02:29:18 UTC


2018-03-22 02:29:27 UTC

It's funny that you guys rail against sjws but love identity politics at the same time

2018-03-22 02:29:34 UTC

[gets blown 3 miles back by dave rubin's attack helicopter arm spin]

2018-03-22 02:29:45 UTC

special attack?

2018-03-22 02:29:53 UTC

for it to be amusing that we "love identity politics" would require that to actually be the case. AFAICT, it is not.

2018-03-22 02:30:03 UTC

It's funny you to claim to be a libertarian but then advocate for wealth redistrbution

2018-03-22 02:30:18 UTC

I don't love identity politics

2018-03-22 02:30:37 UTC

I think it's a potent weapon that I can't afford to not take advantage of, especially considering the high stakes

2018-03-22 02:30:58 UTC

How is nationalism not identity politics?

2018-03-22 02:31:06 UTC

how is it?

2018-03-22 02:31:26 UTC

It doesn't need to be identity politics in the sense I think you see it in

2018-03-22 02:31:47 UTC

Entitlement mentality based on identity

2018-03-22 02:31:54 UTC

It doesn't need to be a divisive form of identity politics, in fact it's purpose is to bring many peoples together under one banner

2018-03-22 02:32:04 UTC


2018-03-22 02:32:06 UTC

Let's use Rome as an example

2018-03-22 02:32:26 UTC


2018-03-22 02:32:33 UTC

1. entitlement to what? 2. based on what identity? 3. mentality of whom?

2018-03-22 02:32:46 UTC

They were pretty nationalistic but integrated other tribes into their system through subsuming them into the national identity

2018-03-22 02:33:14 UTC

globalism is an entitlement mentality

2018-03-22 02:33:39 UTC

Some groups became noteworthy for their skill in particular forms of combat, some became model citizens who adapted quickly to the Roman way of life, etc

2018-03-22 02:33:51 UTC

the auxilleries right @banestrum

2018-03-22 02:33:56 UTC

People kept as much of their smaller group identity as was useful to society

2018-03-22 02:33:58 UTC

When in Rome do as the Romans do

2018-03-22 02:34:05 UTC

@Deleted User Yeah, and some calvalry

2018-03-22 02:34:26 UTC

@Deleted User Yes, but not because conformity is easy, but because it is mutually beneficial

2018-03-22 02:34:43 UTC

Not total conformity, but enough that you and some totally different people can work together

2018-03-22 02:35:03 UTC

Conform to our religious cult

2018-03-22 02:35:10 UTC

>implying globalism isn't conformity

2018-03-22 02:35:14 UTC

for example: I am Canadian, and rather proud of it. Canada is a rather nice country to live in.
This is not an identity in any meaningful sense. Canadians, even the most strident flag-wavers among them, do not consist of an identity bloc. There are no identity politics going on here. There is no complaint, for example, about under-representation of Canadian citizens on the world-political stage or whatever. there is no basis from which such a complaint could be made.

2018-03-22 02:36:04 UTC

if by "religious cult" you mean "local law", sure. how is replacing this with global law any better? If anything, you deprive people of the opportunity to seek out a different locality with a legal system they prefer.

2018-03-22 02:36:38 UTC

If Roman armies, with all their auxilaries, irregular troops, standardized equipment, and multinational manpower don't represent one of the greatest achievements of nationalism to you, then I don't know what to say.

2018-03-22 02:36:43 UTC

all you have is empty rhetoric here, @Deleted User .

2018-03-22 02:37:15 UTC

@zahlman I believe the only thing he has is sophistry and quotes no one gives a shit about

2018-03-22 02:37:50 UTC

well, yes; that's the form of the rhetoric generally

2018-03-22 02:37:58 UTC

@Deleted User Globalism is economic colonization and mutual wage slavery on an unprecedented scale, and all parties are worse for it. No nation is self sufficient, all are exploited, and national pride in unique products and labors is reduced to gross GDP

2018-03-22 02:38:07 UTC


2018-03-22 02:38:25 UTC


2018-03-22 02:38:56 UTC

Rome had the right idea, beat people until they comply, and then show them how nice you live.

2018-03-22 02:39:03 UTC

I especially like the part where "the global poor used to average $1/year , now they average $2/year in income" is held up as an *accomplishment*

2018-03-22 02:39:05 UTC

We don't do enough of either now

2018-03-22 02:39:20 UTC

if you believe in globalism, you believe in colonization and slavery

2018-03-22 02:39:32 UTC

as if it didn't occur to anyone that the mere fact of being able to survive on $1/year might possibly indicate that the economic rules of the developed world don't apply

2018-03-22 02:39:38 UTC

@zahlman I mean, it's a big deal in some shitholes, but it's still a shithole, just marginally wealthier

2018-03-22 02:39:40 UTC

How are those cheap clothing made by poor SE Asian workers?

2018-03-22 02:39:45 UTC


2018-03-22 02:39:46 UTC


2018-03-22 02:39:54 UTC

Bangladesh can suck a dick

2018-03-22 02:39:57 UTC

yeah, the quality is lacking @banestrum

2018-03-22 02:40:04 UTC

jfc, when I was in university in the early 00s all the university leftists understood this shit

2018-03-22 02:40:10 UTC

Fuck the tags they put on their shirts, they are the actual worst

2018-03-22 02:40:15 UTC

you literally couldn't get away from people talking about sweatshop labour

2018-03-22 02:40:31 UTC

now they've all sold out

2018-03-22 02:40:31 UTC

The plastic stickers that are ironed on or something, you have to peel them off a letter at a time

2018-03-22 02:40:36 UTC

American made products are of quality, from what I noticed @banestrum

2018-03-22 02:40:47 UTC

because they can't afford to skimp on quality

2018-03-22 02:40:52 UTC

@Deleted User They have to be, to compete

2018-03-22 02:41:01 UTC

Plenty of cheap stuff, so no room there

2018-03-22 02:41:05 UTC


2018-03-22 02:41:17 UTC

@Deleted User that's fucked

2018-03-22 02:41:30 UTC

if it's true

2018-03-22 02:41:49 UTC

UK has fallen

2018-03-22 02:42:10 UTC

we're supposed to be happy about a state of affairs in which workers literally halfway around the world can be economically exploited to the point where it's cheaper to make it there and also ship it, rather than make it locally
meanwhile, hundreds of millions of people still have malaria and schistosomiasis and fucking hookworm, the latter of which mark goddamned twain wrote about

2018-03-22 02:42:19 UTC

I learned today that japan makes really good jeans because they bought up all the machinery in the states when it went under due to outsourcing

2018-03-22 02:42:26 UTC

So they basically make american jeans

2018-03-22 02:42:34 UTC

that's what your precious globalism gets you.

2018-03-22 02:42:52 UTC

Do you think the lead-lined canteens of the Roman armies were good @banestrum?

2018-03-22 02:43:06 UTC

superficial pretending-to-care bullshit and calling people racist based on nothing, while real problems are ignored

2018-03-22 02:43:06 UTC

you got a source for that?

2018-03-22 02:43:10 UTC

I thought that was just the pipes in rome

2018-03-22 02:43:36 UTC

@banestrum too bad the jeans are too small for american waists

2018-03-22 02:44:04 UTC

@zahlman We can all see that globalism has purported to bring the world closer, but has eroded what binds nations together

2018-03-22 02:44:12 UTC

How is global free trade a bad thing @banestrum?

2018-03-22 02:44:32 UTC

@Deleted User I think it's a lot of export, so some must be made for us amerifats

2018-03-22 02:44:41 UTC

So slavery is a good thing ?

2018-03-22 02:44:56 UTC

wow, how enlightened of you hooty

2018-03-22 02:45:09 UTC

You guys are starting to sound like communists

2018-03-22 02:45:16 UTC

bahahaa what

2018-03-22 02:45:20 UTC

and you're a retard

2018-03-22 02:45:25 UTC

@Deleted User It's a net economic gain for the world, but those benefits mostly go into the pockets of multinational corporations and extremely wealthy individuals rather than to the societies that produced said goods

2018-03-22 02:45:30 UTC

christ, what do you even think your own political alignment is

2018-03-22 02:45:39 UTC

Hooty is a corprate whore

2018-03-22 02:45:47 UTC


2018-03-22 02:46:06 UTC


2018-03-22 02:46:10 UTC

@Deleted User I'd be a communist if people were entirely logical and not emotional at all

2018-03-22 02:46:15 UTC

Too bad that's not reality

2018-03-22 02:46:32 UTC

[boot up the internet machine] time for a little own-a-rooni on the sargon chat

2018-03-22 02:46:43 UTC

Thanks, Luigi

2018-03-22 02:46:58 UTC

With goatee?

2018-03-22 02:47:04 UTC

That's horrifying

2018-03-22 02:47:13 UTC

Free trade equals economic slavery?

2018-03-22 02:49:03 UTC

Where is the logic in that?

2018-03-22 02:49:23 UTC

Are you willing to listen to our explanations?

2018-03-22 02:49:38 UTC

... I like the part where you were given reasoning to start out with, and then discarded the reasoning in order to substitute your strawman, and then asked where the reasoning is

2018-03-22 02:49:46 UTC

that's quite impressive, really

2018-03-22 02:49:47 UTC


2018-03-22 02:50:10 UTC

I'm just taking what you said @zahlman

2018-03-22 02:50:42 UTC

er, which part, I think you're getting people mixed up now

2018-03-22 02:50:43 UTC

is this how it works?


2018-03-22 02:51:16 UTC

gimme a sec

2018-03-22 02:54:14 UTC

For me, "economic freedom" on a global scale means that all nations can trade with each other with little to no restrictions. This means that regional differences in prices are esentially meaningless in such a large market, and so nations are essentially locked in to producing whatever creates the greatest GDP. So a nation with lots of fertile land is going to produce cash crops to sell on the international market and use the profits to buy food from somewhere else. If a nation did anything less than maximize their GDP, they would be outcompeted by other nations in the market and subjugated by economic means

2018-03-22 02:55:28 UTC

Essentially, nations are locked into producing certain things by the current prices of the market and general economic pressure

2018-03-22 02:55:39 UTC

I see

2018-03-22 02:56:36 UTC

they don't want to have to compete with others

2018-03-22 02:56:40 UTC

I get that the global economy produces the most economically efficient solutions on a global scale via market pressure, but it also creates extremely unbalanced systems that border on global monopolies

2018-03-22 02:57:03 UTC

rather stay primitive & backwards

2018-03-22 02:57:04 UTC

> produces the most economically efficient solutions

not even necessarily this, considering the overhead of transportation

2018-03-22 02:57:23 UTC

like Islam

2018-03-22 02:57:51 UTC

transporting goods also has environmental consequences

2018-03-22 02:58:03 UTC

At the end of this, every nation produces exactly one product to sell on the market, and essentially holds a gun to the head of the world. If Neo-USA stops producing the worlds supply of planes, nobody has planes, thusly everyone is enslaved to the USA. And everyone is enslaved to each other via resource production

2018-03-22 02:58:18 UTC

@zahlman That's why I said "economically" efficient.

2018-03-22 02:58:27 UTC

They're not resource efficient by any means

2018-03-22 02:58:34 UTC

makes sense

2018-03-22 02:59:09 UTC

So I'm not denying the benefits of globalization, but there are downsides to it.

2018-03-22 03:00:06 UTC

As a classical liberal, you should watch these.

2018-03-22 03:03:01 UTC

**@Pepe** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-22 03:05:08 UTC

Ok, so that first one, everything they said was technically correct

2018-03-22 03:05:25 UTC

But costs ARE passed on to other nations via externalities

2018-03-22 03:06:18 UTC

Could be environmental costs from production, health costs from pollution, whatever, because the global economy is global, the costs and benefits are going to be spread around

2018-03-22 03:06:29 UTC


2018-03-22 03:06:55 UTC

And obviously less powerful nations, economic or otherwise, have less means available to protect themselves from those negative consequences

2018-03-22 03:07:05 UTC

Can't get enough of that sweet sweet division

2018-03-22 03:07:26 UTC

@Edgy_Username The anti-white crowd has been out in force on twitter

2018-03-22 03:07:42 UTC

Bringing out the old "whites are domestic terrorists" thing again

2018-03-22 03:08:05 UTC

The whole internets a shithole the now

2018-03-22 03:08:34 UTC

Folk on Reddit saying that free speech should be limited and all tha anti-White stuff on Twitter

2018-03-22 03:09:00 UTC

Doesn't that mean Trump is successfully stopping Muslim terrorists from killing?

2018-03-22 03:09:31 UTC

Blame the leftists

2018-03-22 03:09:41 UTC

We just want to be white in peace

2018-03-22 03:09:47 UTC

Checkmatey democrats

2018-03-22 03:11:06 UTC

At this point, I think universal sufferage is incompatible with America

2018-03-22 03:11:22 UTC

It's not functioning so good with so many fucking voices voting in opposite directions

2018-03-22 03:12:06 UTC


2018-03-22 03:12:16 UTC

You realize there are more terrorist acts committed by whites than any other in America right?

2018-03-22 03:12:43 UTC

Which means he's stopping the radical Islamic terrorists from attacking.

2018-03-22 03:13:01 UTC

Two scoops, two genders, two terms, baby.

2018-03-22 03:13:14 UTC

This is what gets underreported

2018-03-22 03:13:41 UTC

How do you recommend we fix that then?

2018-03-22 03:14:05 UTC

Whites are the majority of the population, so nothing's out of the ordinary there, statistically.

2018-03-22 03:14:14 UTC

He probably wants equality of terrorists.

2018-03-22 03:14:19 UTC

Have a quota.

2018-03-22 03:14:47 UTC

Let's make sure half of terrorists are black, half are arabic, half are asian, half are mexicans....

2018-03-22 03:15:39 UTC



2018-03-22 03:16:50 UTC

So, even that bottom graph says that islam did more than everyone else combined

2018-03-22 03:17:09 UTC

Obviously a lot of people died on 9/11

2018-03-22 03:18:03 UTC

Is this one of those graphs that conveniently starts after 9/11?

2018-03-22 03:18:43 UTC

Wasn't that politifact article debunked because they left out some incidents to make their case?

2018-03-22 03:18:49 UTC

his point is that it's a little hypocritical that we have massive media coverage and patriot acts dedicated to one group but the other is generally unspoken, and things like "both sides" probably/definitely wouldn't ever be said about muslim terrorists

2018-03-22 03:18:52 UTC

im pretty sure that the US has the least restrictions on trade than any other nation

2018-03-22 03:19:05 UTC

so the idea that by doing tariffs we're not participating

2018-03-22 03:19:09 UTC

is a bit silly

2018-03-22 03:19:12 UTC

Or from the fallout of it

2018-03-22 03:19:54 UTC

>62 people in U.S. killed by Islamic terrorists for every one killed by right-wing extremists

2018-03-22 03:20:15 UTC

i think i'd rather crucify myself than read a college fix article about a professor with debunk written in all caps

2018-03-22 03:21:56 UTC

however i did anyway....

2018-03-22 03:22:11 UTC

>Is this one of those graphs that conveniently starts after 9/11?

yes, it says so explicitly at the top

2018-03-22 03:22:13 UTC

Until the Orlando nightclub shooting, "the number of deaths caused by far-right-wing attacks outnumbered those caused by jihadism-related attacks," Ford said.

2018-03-22 03:22:13 UTC

@DanielKO They've also included some oddball incidents as "far-right"

2018-03-22 03:22:23 UTC

>“Together, Muhammad and Malvo killed at least ten people. Yet [the foundation] does not list their victims among those under the category of ‘violent jihadist attacks.'”

2018-03-22 03:22:30 UTC

The "2003 Salinas, Calif. Abudction, Torture, and Murder" was two hispanics killing a bisexual

2018-03-22 03:22:47 UTC

also >implying radial islam isn't "far-right"

2018-03-22 03:22:55 UTC

Dunno how that's similar to the actual skinheads they've cited selewhere

2018-03-22 03:23:00 UTC

"The terrorist threat in the United States is almost entirely homegrown, as no foreign terrorist organization has successfully directed and orchestrated an attack in the United States since 9/11,"

2018-03-22 03:23:18 UTC

Yeah, it only took ONE incident to change that balance

2018-03-22 03:23:18 UTC

per capita islamic terrorism is probably worse

2018-03-22 03:23:33 UTC

```“If you include the death totals from 9/11 in such a calculation, then there have been around 62 people killed in the United States by Islamic extremists for every one American killed by a right wing terrorist,” Holt stated in his analysis.```
well duh
```Secondly, it did not factor in extraordinary security measures, such as the Patriot Act and the Holtcreation of Homeland Security, put in place after 9/11 that prevented a large number of attempted attacks by Islamic terrorists on American soil.```
i'm not sure if the best point he could've made here is imply that homeland security is completely incompetent at stopping right-wing terrorism

2018-03-22 03:24:11 UTC

They have the same goals as white nationalists

2018-03-22 03:24:15 UTC

ONE islamic terrorist killed 49 people in a single incident, but it took 14 years for "far right" "terrorism" to approach the same figure

2018-03-22 03:24:34 UTC

And I'm supposed to consider Islamic terrorism LESS of a threat?

2018-03-22 03:24:39 UTC

What a surprise, after a massive Islamic terrorism attack, strict defense policies are put into place to try to stop more Islamic terrorism attacks. This retard thinks that, since fewer attacks happened after that, it means that Islamic terrorists aren't a threat.

2018-03-22 03:24:41 UTC

They've killed more people in less incidents

2018-03-22 03:24:44 UTC

Dude, it's exactly the opposite.

2018-03-22 03:24:54 UTC

Except the TSA has never prevented anything

2018-03-22 03:25:01 UTC

Underwear bomber

2018-03-22 03:25:08 UTC

Not one to defend TSA, but still.

2018-03-22 03:25:27 UTC

Gotta give it to em you do something you do it right

2018-03-22 03:25:33 UTC

Their value is also mostly deterrence, rather than active prevention

2018-03-22 03:25:56 UTC

The TSA will always end up killing more people than it will ever save

2018-03-22 03:26:02 UTC

@Edgy_Username Exactly, am I supposed to consider a bunch on unrelated skinheads committing armed robbery a serious national threat?

2018-03-22 03:26:14 UTC

Know why?

2018-03-22 03:26:15 UTC

@Deleted User Who the fuck has the TSA ever killed?

2018-03-22 03:26:35 UTC

the entire point is that you wouldn't find out if they did prevent something from happening

2018-03-22 03:26:40 UTC

@banestrum his fee fees

2018-03-22 03:26:43 UTC

```ONE islamic terrorist killed 49 people in a single incident, but it took 14 years for "far right" "terrorism" to approach the same figure
And I'm supposed to consider Islamic terrorism LESS of a threat?```
9/11 is obviously a massive outlier

2018-03-22 03:26:53 UTC

Because people are more likely to drive rather than fly now which is statistically much more dangerous.

2018-03-22 03:27:15 UTC

when am I gonna see white nationalists flying crop dusters into corn silos???

2018-03-22 03:27:37 UTC

@Deleted User So the TSA should regulate motor transport now?

2018-03-22 03:27:38 UTC

holy shit, @Deleted User , do you have any idea of the implications of having that loose of a standard for responsibility

2018-03-22 03:28:06 UTC

Unintended consequences

2018-03-22 03:28:30 UTC

@Sue✨ Yeah, it's such an outlier we fought a bunch of stupid wars over it, it was a pretty big deal. Over a thousand people died because we upset some rich saudi cunt with religious pull

2018-03-22 03:28:42 UTC

They are not worth the $7 billion

2018-03-22 03:29:25 UTC

That's why people don't include 9/11 in these "far right attacks have killed more than islam" meme-tier infographs, because it makes the graph so damn big you can't even see the far right deaths

2018-03-22 03:29:26 UTC

Airlines could handle their own security much better

2018-03-22 03:29:39 UTC

right, but i think the studies hooty posted earlier were more talking about the frequency of how often your standard terrorist attack happens and who commits them, putting 9/11 in there defeats the purpose

2018-03-22 03:29:50 UTC

I do not trust airlines to handle my luggage, let alone my security

2018-03-22 03:30:14 UTC

do you think there'd be less incidents without security

2018-03-22 03:30:14 UTC

@Sue✨ I'm pretty sure the "point" was to say that islam has somehow killed less

2018-03-22 03:30:30 UTC

Well it's really hard to get jihadits on planes anymore so yeah homegrown terrorism happens more often

2018-03-22 03:30:42 UTC

Unless it's the UK of course

2018-03-22 03:31:24 UTC

@Deleted User I'd imagine so, but it's impossible to prove

2018-03-22 03:31:43 UTC

Where I'm scared to be edgy incase the SAS invade my house

2018-03-22 03:31:44 UTC

Who knows how many insane persons have been deterred over the years by the simple idea that they'd get caught

2018-03-22 03:31:59 UTC

@Edgy_Username Yeah, you guys fucked it

2018-03-22 03:32:14 UTC

Eliminate parliment now, start over

2018-03-22 03:32:59 UTC

We're to far gone we have no say about what happens in our government

2018-03-22 03:33:13 UTC

the article could've been a little clearer about its numbers but generally politifact is fairly ok

2018-03-22 03:33:17 UTC

Look at that garbage, for instance

2018-03-22 03:33:30 UTC

It ends with "Not a single death has resulted from terrorist activity by a Muslim extremist refugee."

2018-03-22 03:33:52 UTC

well, yes, that's a different article, yes

2018-03-22 03:34:08 UTC

I have Muslim uncles and the one thing they detest the most is refugees which surprised me

2018-03-22 03:34:18 UTC

Ah yes, not a single person known to be an enemy of the united states on religious grounds has been granted passage into the US and then carried out a lethal attack on american soil

2018-03-22 03:34:22 UTC

What a surprise

2018-03-22 03:35:08 UTC

Twisting the question, imagine my shock

2018-03-22 03:35:45 UTC

@Sue✨ My point is that all the articles of that nature are attempting to place the blame on "far right" terrorism while minimizing the number of people killed by islamists. They obfuscate, quibble over definitions, distort data, and manipulate statistics wherever possible and the BEST they can do is the first article posted

2018-03-22 03:37:04 UTC

The one where excluding that ONE time islam killed 1k+ people in a day, it still killed more than "far right" (a very inclusive group apparently) did over 15 years

2018-03-22 03:37:15 UTC

@banestrum that's so silly though

2018-03-22 03:37:28 UTC

they obviously are a deterrence

2018-03-22 03:37:45 UTC

Who is that in your pfp @Deleted User

2018-03-22 03:37:49 UTC

And they attempt to dress it up as "Far right extremists have committed more attacks". Great, they're not very good at killing people, so by your logic we shouldn't worry about them.

2018-03-22 03:37:55 UTC

@Deleted User The what now?

2018-03-22 03:37:56 UTC

sure, i'm not trying to make the point that islamists did more or less, i was just pointing out a few things about what hooty's article was talking about

2018-03-22 03:38:07 UTC

It's like when you reinforce policing of crime-ridden areas, crime goes down, then some idiot activists complain "see, there's no crime happening there, you're a bigot because you insinuated they needed extra policing."

2018-03-22 03:38:13 UTC

Yeah, it just amazes me that that one is the best of the bunch

2018-03-22 03:38:39 UTC

The BEST one is "Islamists might kill more people, but far right groups attack more often"

2018-03-22 03:38:50 UTC

With a bunch of asterisks at the end

2018-03-22 03:39:29 UTC

*"Far right" includes hispanics and unaffiliated people who commit hate crimes

2018-03-22 03:39:40 UTC

Do you guys believe in a Jewspiracy?

2018-03-22 03:39:49 UTC

Lol no

2018-03-22 03:39:58 UTC

Only as much as everyone conspires with their own groups

2018-03-22 03:39:58 UTC

the TSA

2018-03-22 03:39:59 UTC

That's a funny word, I like it.

2018-03-22 03:40:13 UTC

Is that from /pol/?

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