okay, so what does "globalism" mean to you?

in particular, what policies do you think are required to be advocated for, and on what grounds?

why is everyone in this chat so angry all of the time

I don't perceive any anger here tbh

just mockery mixed with strident debate spirit

``` playing defintional games and engaging in sophistry.
and then randomly spouting quotes that nobody gives a shit about

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I wonder why

strident debate spirit == angery

so

what you're saying is that

Damian == being a dip

also something about lobsters presumably

=/=

It's funny that you guys rail against sjws but love identity politics at the same time

[gets blown 3 miles back by dave rubin's attack helicopter arm spin]

special attack?

for it to be amusing that we "love identity politics" would require that to actually be the case. AFAICT, it is not.

It's funny you to claim to be a libertarian but then advocate for wealth redistrbution

I don't love identity politics

I think it's a potent weapon that I can't afford to not take advantage of, especially considering the high stakes

How is nationalism not identity politics?

how is it?

It doesn't need to be identity politics in the sense I think you see it in

Entitlement mentality based on identity

It doesn't need to be a divisive form of identity politics, in fact it's purpose is to bring many peoples together under one banner

wat

Let's use Rome as an example

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1. entitlement to what? 2. based on what identity? 3. mentality of whom?

They were pretty nationalistic but integrated other tribes into their system through subsuming them into the national identity

globalism is an entitlement mentality

Some groups became noteworthy for their skill in particular forms of combat, some became model citizens who adapted quickly to the Roman way of life, etc

the auxilleries right @banestrum

People kept as much of their smaller group identity as was useful to society

When in Rome do as the Romans do

@Deleted User Yeah, and some calvalry

@Deleted User Yes, but not because conformity is easy, but because it is mutually beneficial

Not total conformity, but enough that you and some totally different people can work together

Conform to our religious cult

>implying globalism isn't conformity

for example: I am Canadian, and rather proud of it. Canada is a rather nice country to live in.
This is not an identity in any meaningful sense. Canadians, even the most strident flag-wavers among them, do not consist of an identity bloc. There are no identity politics going on here. There is no complaint, for example, about under-representation of Canadian citizens on the world-political stage or whatever. there is no basis from which such a complaint could be made.

if by "religious cult" you mean "local law", sure. how is replacing this with global law any better? If anything, you deprive people of the opportunity to seek out a different locality with a legal system they prefer.

If Roman armies, with all their auxilaries, irregular troops, standardized equipment, and multinational manpower don't represent one of the greatest achievements of nationalism to you, then I don't know what to say.

all you have is empty rhetoric here, @Deleted User .

@zahlman I believe the only thing he has is sophistry and quotes no one gives a shit about

well, yes; that's the form of the rhetoric generally

@Deleted User Globalism is economic colonization and mutual wage slavery on an unprecedented scale, and all parties are worse for it. No nation is self sufficient, all are exploited, and national pride in unique products and labors is reduced to gross GDP

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Rome had the right idea, beat people until they comply, and then show them how nice you live.

I especially like the part where "the global poor used to average $1/year , now they average $2/year in income" is held up as an *accomplishment*

We don't do enough of either now

if you believe in globalism, you believe in colonization and slavery

as if it didn't occur to anyone that the mere fact of being able to survive on $1/year might possibly indicate that the economic rules of the developed world don't apply

@zahlman I mean, it's a big deal in some shitholes, but it's still a shithole, just marginally wealthier

How are those cheap clothing made by poor SE Asian workers?

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Itchy

Bangladesh can suck a dick

yeah, the quality is lacking @banestrum

jfc, when I was in university in the early 00s all the university leftists understood this shit

Fuck the tags they put on their shirts, they are the actual worst

you literally couldn't get away from people talking about sweatshop labour

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28537/uk-student-allegedly-reprimanded-watching-video-daily-wire

now they've all sold out

The plastic stickers that are ironed on or something, you have to peel them off a letter at a time

American made products are of quality, from what I noticed @banestrum

because they can't afford to skimp on quality

@Deleted User They have to be, to compete

Plenty of cheap stuff, so no room there

yeap

@Deleted User that's fucked

if it's true

UK has fallen

we're supposed to be happy about a state of affairs in which workers literally halfway around the world can be economically exploited to the point where it's cheaper to make it there and also ship it, rather than make it locally
meanwhile, hundreds of millions of people still have malaria and schistosomiasis and fucking hookworm, the latter of which mark goddamned twain wrote about

I learned today that japan makes really good jeans because they bought up all the machinery in the states when it went under due to outsourcing

So they basically make american jeans

that's what your precious globalism gets you.

Do you think the lead-lined canteens of the Roman armies were good @banestrum?

superficial pretending-to-care bullshit and calling people racist based on nothing, while real problems are ignored

you got a source for that?

I thought that was just the pipes in rome

@banestrum too bad the jeans are too small for american waists

@zahlman We can all see that globalism has purported to bring the world closer, but has eroded what binds nations together

How is global free trade a bad thing @banestrum?

@Deleted User I think it's a lot of export, so some must be made for us amerifats

So slavery is a good thing ?

wow, how enlightened of you hooty

You guys are starting to sound like communists

bahahaa what

and you're a retard

@Deleted User It's a net economic gain for the world, but those benefits mostly go into the pockets of multinational corporations and extremely wealthy individuals rather than to the societies that produced said goods

christ, what do you even think your own political alignment is

Hooty is a corprate whore

`neoliberal`

```"libertarian"```

@Deleted User I'd be a communist if people were entirely logical and not emotional at all

Too bad that's not reality

[boot up the internet machine] time for a little own-a-rooni on the sargon chat