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2018-03-22 02:26:50 UTC

okay, so what does "globalism" mean to you?

2018-03-22 02:27:05 UTC

in particular, what policies do you think are required to be advocated for, and on what grounds?

2018-03-22 02:27:19 UTC

why is everyone in this chat so angry all of the time

2018-03-22 02:27:34 UTC

I don't perceive any anger here tbh

2018-03-22 02:27:42 UTC

just mockery mixed with strident debate spirit

2018-03-22 02:28:07 UTC

``` playing defintional games and engaging in sophistry.
and then randomly spouting quotes that nobody gives a shit about


2018-03-22 02:28:09 UTC


2018-03-22 02:28:13 UTC

I wonder why

2018-03-22 02:28:17 UTC

strident debate spirit == angery

2018-03-22 02:28:31 UTC


2018-03-22 02:28:36 UTC

what you're saying is that

2018-03-22 02:28:48 UTC

Damian == being a dip

2018-03-22 02:28:58 UTC

also something about lobsters presumably

2018-03-22 02:29:18 UTC


2018-03-22 02:29:27 UTC

It's funny that you guys rail against sjws but love identity politics at the same time

2018-03-22 02:29:34 UTC

[gets blown 3 miles back by dave rubin's attack helicopter arm spin]

2018-03-22 02:29:45 UTC

special attack?

2018-03-22 02:29:53 UTC

for it to be amusing that we "love identity politics" would require that to actually be the case. AFAICT, it is not.

2018-03-22 02:30:03 UTC

It's funny you to claim to be a libertarian but then advocate for wealth redistrbution

2018-03-22 02:30:18 UTC

I don't love identity politics

2018-03-22 02:30:37 UTC

I think it's a potent weapon that I can't afford to not take advantage of, especially considering the high stakes

2018-03-22 02:30:58 UTC

How is nationalism not identity politics?

2018-03-22 02:31:06 UTC

how is it?

2018-03-22 02:31:26 UTC

It doesn't need to be identity politics in the sense I think you see it in

2018-03-22 02:31:47 UTC

Entitlement mentality based on identity

2018-03-22 02:31:54 UTC

It doesn't need to be a divisive form of identity politics, in fact it's purpose is to bring many peoples together under one banner

2018-03-22 02:32:04 UTC


2018-03-22 02:32:06 UTC

Let's use Rome as an example

2018-03-22 02:32:26 UTC


2018-03-22 02:32:33 UTC

1. entitlement to what? 2. based on what identity? 3. mentality of whom?

2018-03-22 02:32:46 UTC

They were pretty nationalistic but integrated other tribes into their system through subsuming them into the national identity

2018-03-22 02:33:14 UTC

globalism is an entitlement mentality

2018-03-22 02:33:39 UTC

Some groups became noteworthy for their skill in particular forms of combat, some became model citizens who adapted quickly to the Roman way of life, etc

2018-03-22 02:33:51 UTC

the auxilleries right @banestrum

2018-03-22 02:33:56 UTC

People kept as much of their smaller group identity as was useful to society

2018-03-22 02:33:58 UTC

When in Rome do as the Romans do

2018-03-22 02:34:05 UTC

@Deleted User Yeah, and some calvalry

2018-03-22 02:34:26 UTC

@Deleted User Yes, but not because conformity is easy, but because it is mutually beneficial

2018-03-22 02:34:43 UTC

Not total conformity, but enough that you and some totally different people can work together

2018-03-22 02:35:03 UTC

Conform to our religious cult

2018-03-22 02:35:10 UTC

>implying globalism isn't conformity

2018-03-22 02:35:14 UTC

for example: I am Canadian, and rather proud of it. Canada is a rather nice country to live in.
This is not an identity in any meaningful sense. Canadians, even the most strident flag-wavers among them, do not consist of an identity bloc. There are no identity politics going on here. There is no complaint, for example, about under-representation of Canadian citizens on the world-political stage or whatever. there is no basis from which such a complaint could be made.

2018-03-22 02:36:04 UTC

if by "religious cult" you mean "local law", sure. how is replacing this with global law any better? If anything, you deprive people of the opportunity to seek out a different locality with a legal system they prefer.

2018-03-22 02:36:38 UTC

If Roman armies, with all their auxilaries, irregular troops, standardized equipment, and multinational manpower don't represent one of the greatest achievements of nationalism to you, then I don't know what to say.

2018-03-22 02:36:43 UTC

all you have is empty rhetoric here, @Deleted User .

2018-03-22 02:37:15 UTC

@zahlman I believe the only thing he has is sophistry and quotes no one gives a shit about

2018-03-22 02:37:50 UTC

well, yes; that's the form of the rhetoric generally

2018-03-22 02:37:58 UTC

@Deleted User Globalism is economic colonization and mutual wage slavery on an unprecedented scale, and all parties are worse for it. No nation is self sufficient, all are exploited, and national pride in unique products and labors is reduced to gross GDP

2018-03-22 02:38:07 UTC


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2018-03-22 02:38:56 UTC

Rome had the right idea, beat people until they comply, and then show them how nice you live.

2018-03-22 02:39:03 UTC

I especially like the part where "the global poor used to average $1/year , now they average $2/year in income" is held up as an *accomplishment*

2018-03-22 02:39:05 UTC

We don't do enough of either now

2018-03-22 02:39:20 UTC

if you believe in globalism, you believe in colonization and slavery

2018-03-22 02:39:32 UTC

as if it didn't occur to anyone that the mere fact of being able to survive on $1/year might possibly indicate that the economic rules of the developed world don't apply

2018-03-22 02:39:38 UTC

@zahlman I mean, it's a big deal in some shitholes, but it's still a shithole, just marginally wealthier

2018-03-22 02:39:40 UTC

How are those cheap clothing made by poor SE Asian workers?

2018-03-22 02:39:45 UTC


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2018-03-22 02:39:54 UTC

Bangladesh can suck a dick

2018-03-22 02:39:57 UTC

yeah, the quality is lacking @banestrum

2018-03-22 02:40:04 UTC

jfc, when I was in university in the early 00s all the university leftists understood this shit

2018-03-22 02:40:10 UTC

Fuck the tags they put on their shirts, they are the actual worst

2018-03-22 02:40:15 UTC

you literally couldn't get away from people talking about sweatshop labour

2018-03-22 02:40:31 UTC

now they've all sold out

2018-03-22 02:40:31 UTC

The plastic stickers that are ironed on or something, you have to peel them off a letter at a time

2018-03-22 02:40:36 UTC

American made products are of quality, from what I noticed @banestrum

2018-03-22 02:40:47 UTC

because they can't afford to skimp on quality

2018-03-22 02:40:52 UTC

@Deleted User They have to be, to compete

2018-03-22 02:41:01 UTC

Plenty of cheap stuff, so no room there

2018-03-22 02:41:05 UTC


2018-03-22 02:41:17 UTC

@Deleted User that's fucked

2018-03-22 02:41:30 UTC

if it's true

2018-03-22 02:41:49 UTC

UK has fallen

2018-03-22 02:42:10 UTC

we're supposed to be happy about a state of affairs in which workers literally halfway around the world can be economically exploited to the point where it's cheaper to make it there and also ship it, rather than make it locally
meanwhile, hundreds of millions of people still have malaria and schistosomiasis and fucking hookworm, the latter of which mark goddamned twain wrote about

2018-03-22 02:42:19 UTC

I learned today that japan makes really good jeans because they bought up all the machinery in the states when it went under due to outsourcing

2018-03-22 02:42:26 UTC

So they basically make american jeans

2018-03-22 02:42:34 UTC

that's what your precious globalism gets you.

2018-03-22 02:42:52 UTC

Do you think the lead-lined canteens of the Roman armies were good @banestrum?

2018-03-22 02:43:06 UTC

superficial pretending-to-care bullshit and calling people racist based on nothing, while real problems are ignored

2018-03-22 02:43:06 UTC

you got a source for that?

2018-03-22 02:43:10 UTC

I thought that was just the pipes in rome

2018-03-22 02:43:36 UTC

@banestrum too bad the jeans are too small for american waists

2018-03-22 02:44:04 UTC

@zahlman We can all see that globalism has purported to bring the world closer, but has eroded what binds nations together

2018-03-22 02:44:12 UTC

How is global free trade a bad thing @banestrum?

2018-03-22 02:44:32 UTC

@Deleted User I think it's a lot of export, so some must be made for us amerifats

2018-03-22 02:44:41 UTC

So slavery is a good thing ?

2018-03-22 02:44:56 UTC

wow, how enlightened of you hooty

2018-03-22 02:45:09 UTC

You guys are starting to sound like communists

2018-03-22 02:45:16 UTC

bahahaa what

2018-03-22 02:45:20 UTC

and you're a retard

2018-03-22 02:45:25 UTC

@Deleted User It's a net economic gain for the world, but those benefits mostly go into the pockets of multinational corporations and extremely wealthy individuals rather than to the societies that produced said goods

2018-03-22 02:45:30 UTC

christ, what do you even think your own political alignment is

2018-03-22 02:45:39 UTC

Hooty is a corprate whore

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2018-03-22 02:46:10 UTC

@Deleted User I'd be a communist if people were entirely logical and not emotional at all

2018-03-22 02:46:15 UTC

Too bad that's not reality

2018-03-22 02:46:32 UTC

[boot up the internet machine] time for a little own-a-rooni on the sargon chat

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