Message from @versterven

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2018-04-12 23:46:03 UTC  

Also, at that time, society was something much more akin to exploitation.

2018-04-12 23:46:35 UTC  

That's why Marx has some valid criticism of society at the time he wrote, but now his points are mostly moot.

2018-04-12 23:47:19 UTC  

Society evolves and changes, ideologies do the same to match society.

2018-04-12 23:47:59 UTC  

I prefer to prescribe to the ideas of John Locke, except the blank slate idea.

2018-04-12 23:48:15 UTC  

ideologies can evolve and marxism has evolved a lot

2018-04-12 23:48:25 UTC  

yes, and yet it is still wrong.

2018-04-12 23:48:40 UTC  

it is just that right wingers have not been able to demonstrate that modern progressivism and post-modernism as a whole represents an evolution of marxism

2018-04-12 23:49:12 UTC  

at least not anymore so than marxism would constitute an evolution of classical liberalism

2018-04-12 23:49:16 UTC  

they don't represent an evolution of marxism, they represent the subversion of marxism into western society.

2018-04-12 23:49:32 UTC  

what does that mean

2018-04-12 23:50:40 UTC  

modern progressives would almost never call themselves marxist, most of their teachers would neither, and most of their teachers would neither, the people who were the actual marxists in academia are long gone or very old, very few progressives would describe themselves as marxists, but tracing their ideology back leads to marxist roots, especially looking at intersectionality and feminism.

2018-04-12 23:51:02 UTC  

how are intersectionality and feminism marxist

2018-04-12 23:51:03 UTC  

There were even 2nd wave feminists who outright wrote that their ideology had a basis in marxism.

2018-04-12 23:51:11 UTC  

yeah marxist feminism is a thing

2018-04-12 23:51:15 UTC  

liberal feminism is also a thing

2018-04-12 23:51:27 UTC  

neither of these things make feminism as a whole marxist or liberal

2018-04-12 23:51:45 UTC  

and marxist feminism has become the dominant voice of feminism in the progressive movement.

2018-04-12 23:51:49 UTC  

I'm nto sayin it does

2018-04-12 23:51:59 UTC  

but one has overtaken the other

2018-04-12 23:52:25 UTC  

that's why even progressives will go after liberal feminists from time to time for "excluding transgenders".

2018-04-12 23:52:46 UTC  

who are some examples of prominent marxist feminists

2018-04-12 23:53:07 UTC  

angela davis is probably the most popular marxist feminist

2018-04-12 23:53:09 UTC  

that i am aware of

2018-04-12 23:53:43 UTC  

oh shit

2018-04-12 23:53:53 UTC  

literally gave you who you just said

2018-04-12 23:53:54 UTC  

lol

2018-04-12 23:54:16 UTC  

i don't think marxist feminists have the same reach of these sorts of rainbow capitalist feminists whose rhetoric has been taken on by third way politicians like clinton and trudeau

2018-04-12 23:55:10 UTC  

Also, like I said, many progressives do not understand that their ideology is somewhat marxist in similarity, but if you trace back it's ideological roots, that is where it leads.

2018-04-12 23:55:28 UTC  

also on the professor comment i would like to point out that students tend to be more radical than their professors, the narrative that the radicalism of college students represents some sort of gramscian march through the institutions is not well substantiated imo

2018-04-12 23:55:32 UTC  

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2018-04-12 23:55:35 UTC  

why though

2018-04-12 23:56:00 UTC  

Example: My sister is a full blown progessive, and says she is not a marxist, yet many of the ideas she espouses are blatantly marxist.

2018-04-12 23:56:05 UTC  

like what

2018-04-12 23:56:22 UTC  

classless society

2018-04-12 23:56:25 UTC  

equality of outcome

2018-04-12 23:56:32 UTC  

wealth redistribution

2018-04-12 23:56:35 UTC  

etc...

2018-04-12 23:56:56 UTC  

nice

2018-04-12 23:57:02 UTC  

well first of all wealth redistribution isn't inherently marxist and marxism is not about "equality of outcome" and marx explicitly wrote that equality of outcome would not exist under socialism

2018-04-12 23:57:36 UTC  

i suppose a classless society would be more on the money, though this was something utopian socialists who were harshly criticized by marx advocated for as well