Message from @versterven
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so when oldschool liberals like adolphe blanqui were writing about how there are two "classes", those who live by their own labor and oppressors who live on the labor of others
could you not just use the same example you have used with marxism and progressivism here
just replace the parasites with white men and those who live by their own labor with minorities
Liberalism, like any other ideology has many versions of itself, I am a classical liberal.
yes and adolphe blanqui was a classical liberal
many classical liberals had similar ideas
they were a big influence on marx
Also, at that time, society was something much more akin to exploitation.
That's why Marx has some valid criticism of society at the time he wrote, but now his points are mostly moot.
Society evolves and changes, ideologies do the same to match society.
I prefer to prescribe to the ideas of John Locke, except the blank slate idea.
ideologies can evolve and marxism has evolved a lot
yes, and yet it is still wrong.
it is just that right wingers have not been able to demonstrate that modern progressivism and post-modernism as a whole represents an evolution of marxism
at least not anymore so than marxism would constitute an evolution of classical liberalism
they don't represent an evolution of marxism, they represent the subversion of marxism into western society.
what does that mean
modern progressives would almost never call themselves marxist, most of their teachers would neither, and most of their teachers would neither, the people who were the actual marxists in academia are long gone or very old, very few progressives would describe themselves as marxists, but tracing their ideology back leads to marxist roots, especially looking at intersectionality and feminism.
how are intersectionality and feminism marxist
There were even 2nd wave feminists who outright wrote that their ideology had a basis in marxism.
liberal feminism is also a thing
neither of these things make feminism as a whole marxist or liberal
and marxist feminism has become the dominant voice of feminism in the progressive movement.
I'm nto sayin it does
but one has overtaken the other
that's why even progressives will go after liberal feminists from time to time for "excluding transgenders".
who are some examples of prominent marxist feminists
angela davis is probably the most popular marxist feminist
that i am aware of
oh shit
literally gave you who you just said
lol
i don't think marxist feminists have the same reach of these sorts of rainbow capitalist feminists whose rhetoric has been taken on by third way politicians like clinton and trudeau
Also, like I said, many progressives do not understand that their ideology is somewhat marxist in similarity, but if you trace back it's ideological roots, that is where it leads.
also on the professor comment i would like to point out that students tend to be more radical than their professors, the narrative that the radicalism of college students represents some sort of gramscian march through the institutions is not well substantiated imo
why though
Example: My sister is a full blown progessive, and says she is not a marxist, yet many of the ideas she espouses are blatantly marxist.
like what