Message from @versterven
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at least not anymore so than marxism would constitute an evolution of classical liberalism
they don't represent an evolution of marxism, they represent the subversion of marxism into western society.
what does that mean
modern progressives would almost never call themselves marxist, most of their teachers would neither, and most of their teachers would neither, the people who were the actual marxists in academia are long gone or very old, very few progressives would describe themselves as marxists, but tracing their ideology back leads to marxist roots, especially looking at intersectionality and feminism.
how are intersectionality and feminism marxist
There were even 2nd wave feminists who outright wrote that their ideology had a basis in marxism.
yeah marxist feminism is a thing
liberal feminism is also a thing
neither of these things make feminism as a whole marxist or liberal
and marxist feminism has become the dominant voice of feminism in the progressive movement.
I'm nto sayin it does
but one has overtaken the other
that's why even progressives will go after liberal feminists from time to time for "excluding transgenders".
who are some examples of prominent marxist feminists
angela davis is probably the most popular marxist feminist
that i am aware of
oh shit
literally gave you who you just said
lol
i don't think marxist feminists have the same reach of these sorts of rainbow capitalist feminists whose rhetoric has been taken on by third way politicians like clinton and trudeau
Also, like I said, many progressives do not understand that their ideology is somewhat marxist in similarity, but if you trace back it's ideological roots, that is where it leads.
also on the professor comment i would like to point out that students tend to be more radical than their professors, the narrative that the radicalism of college students represents some sort of gramscian march through the institutions is not well substantiated imo
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why though
Example: My sister is a full blown progessive, and says she is not a marxist, yet many of the ideas she espouses are blatantly marxist.
like what
classless society
equality of outcome
wealth redistribution
etc...
nice
well first of all wealth redistribution isn't inherently marxist and marxism is not about "equality of outcome" and marx explicitly wrote that equality of outcome would not exist under socialism
i suppose a classless society would be more on the money, though this was something utopian socialists who were harshly criticized by marx advocated for as well
and yes, she is also a utopian, which is surprising considering we read almost exactly the same books criticizing utopianism growing up.
well marx criticized utopian socialists from a historical materialist perspective
but you also said he supported classles society, so just because he criticized them doesn't mean he disagreed with them on everything, as you yourself stated.
sure and i mean liberals and fascists don't disagree on everything
liberalism and fascism are still distinct ideologies
sure, but the point is that marx still advocated for classless society, so saying he criticized other ideologies for other things is moot.
i don't disagree with liberals on everything but i'm still opposed to liberalism