Quality

Of its time

@Deleted User you know the reaction of most people on Soviet art, right?

@Corset It's pretty?

https://youtu.be/2SLvtP6KMUM

@Deleted User We are just to enjoy it really. As a little extra.

Actually, it is really good.

Quality is important at all times.

Unless it is quantity.

or a measure.

I see.

@Deleted User what do you see?

I would like to know why it is quality. Because it expresses realism over impressionism?

Any quality can be taken outside of its time. The best might stay.

For a time

You mean that the best qualities are enduring? They survive the dialectal process? They survive like in evolution?

@Deleted User of course. The best qualities are not even qualities. They are the essence.

Essence? (I am newish to diamat)

https://youtu.be/KH-cQJqdrnk

@Deleted User essence is a dialectical matter.

It changes

all the time

But stays

at the same time

OK, so how come we have such shitty art and music nowadays (in general)? Is it because the subjective is a reflection of the objective, and those in the capitalist system are infected with a 'class virus', and thus reflected poorly on the art they produce?

@Deleted User the profit motive of the creation of the quality is a pure perversion of all things.

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

Is a pure destruction of quality.

The degeneracy.

@Corset Do you think as class consciousness increases so does the quality of art?

Less perverted?

@Deleted User yes. The quality of art is able to meet the beauty of the reality.

https://youtu.be/yLAwPMjphUw

That's a pretty powerful thought. Materialism lets you see the world for what it is, without superstitious perceptions, and the standard increases everywhere.

You could say that religion hijacked beauty.

@Deleted User materialism doesn't even care.

It just is

@Corset No, materialism doesn't care. But if our subjective reflects the objective, the quality of our products increase?

@Deleted User If you do things according to how they are?

Completely possible.

I mean, you said that profit motive perverts quality, which makes art shitty. Which means, that socialism makes art better, by increasing quality.

@Deleted User yes.

Materialism makes everything its own

but also relative

When material conditions improve, because of Marxist thought, then so does the quality of art, which is reflected in the minds of artists as materialist thought.

@Deleted User not only

@Corset What do you mean, it makes everything relative?

subjectively too.

@Deleted User matter is constant and relative

At the same time

@Corset Do Marxists only think like materialists?

@Deleted User yes, otherwise they are not Marxist

It is fundamental

https://youtu.be/yU3Nt6KiLcg

I think I understand now. Making art is just apart of human life. It is perverts by profit motives and other falsehoods. But when the perversion is gone, humans are able to express themselves with better quality. They remove perversion with materialist thought. But art is not the aim. Materialist thought and Marxist thought just allows humans to express with better qualify, free from perverted motives.

@Corset So then, is art and music ultimately necessary?

@Deleted User no

nothing is ultimate, friend.

Matter is moving.

Change is flowing.

@Corset How much should revolutionaries indulge in music? Is it only to increase revolution?

And everything is ultimate at the same time.

Matter is a funny substance

Very prone to change

But always present

and changes

every fkin time

Ha. Thanks for your help.

How can be something that always is?

And always will be?

Sometimes objective comes too close subjective.

Or is it the opposite?

Or is it happaning all the time?

Now I will know, if something is good, it depends on its quality.

@Deleted User material, yes.

are you a material yourself?

Yes, I am now.

@Deleted User and before?

Not since right now, since maybe a month ago. Then I did not know; agnostic. Wanted to believe that saw no logical way. Now I see my cowardice.

@Deleted User what is the history of this material?

You mean historical materialism or other secular explanation like determinism? Is this an exam?

@Deleted User What qualitative, quantitative changes in your essence did you experience?

Tension and then freedom. I combined the best of both.

@Deleted User tell me about it.

I had experienced what I thought were 'mystical' experiences, that I could only experience being close to the supernatural, or at least entertaining thoughts of the supernatural. This created tension because I knew in my mind the supernatural did not exist. But then, when I read Marx and about Dialectical Materialism, it filled the supernatural need. And now I have piece of mind and piece of heart together, with no tension. I have been freed.

@Deleted User Materialism is a cure for dialectical mind. But there are not many to be cured.

Most material is idealist. One sided. Very limited.

At this moment

Even Hegel could not escape his idealism.

but there is a way

Yes, materialism was my cure. But what did you mean by 'a way'? What way?

@Deleted User a materialist way.

It changed the way I looked at the world.

People who used to impress me no longer impress me.

@Deleted User what was the previous way?

@Corset I used to tolerate the supernatural belief in others because I thought it did some good. Now I can cut through their lies and show they are slaves to bourgeois thinking.

@Deleted User which belief exactly?