Message from @Corset

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2017-05-22 06:52:31 UTC  

I would like to know why it is quality. Because it expresses realism over impressionism?

2017-05-22 06:52:55 UTC

2017-05-22 06:53:37 UTC  

Any quality can be taken outside of its time. The best might stay.

2017-05-22 06:54:24 UTC  

For a time

2017-05-22 06:54:31 UTC  

You mean that the best qualities are enduring? They survive the dialectal process? They survive like in evolution?

2017-05-22 06:55:34 UTC  

@Deleted User of course. The best qualities are not even qualities. They are the essence.

2017-05-22 06:56:35 UTC  

Essence? (I am newish to diamat)

2017-05-22 06:57:17 UTC  
2017-05-22 06:57:36 UTC  

@Deleted User essence is a dialectical matter.

2017-05-22 06:57:40 UTC  

It changes

2017-05-22 06:57:44 UTC  

all the time

2017-05-22 06:57:56 UTC  

But stays

2017-05-22 06:58:00 UTC  

at the same time

2017-05-22 06:59:36 UTC  

OK, so how come we have such shitty art and music nowadays (in general)? Is it because the subjective is a reflection of the objective, and those in the capitalist system are infected with a 'class virus', and thus reflected poorly on the art they produce?

2017-05-22 07:00:31 UTC  

@Deleted User the profit motive of the creation of the quality is a pure perversion of all things.

2017-05-22 07:00:55 UTC  

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

2017-05-22 07:02:04 UTC  

Is a pure destruction of quality.

2017-05-22 07:02:16 UTC  

The degeneracy.

2017-05-22 07:03:54 UTC  

@Corset Do you think as class consciousness increases so does the quality of art?

2017-05-22 07:04:07 UTC  

Less perverted?

2017-05-22 07:04:53 UTC  

@Deleted User yes. The quality of art is able to meet the beauty of the reality.

2017-05-22 07:05:40 UTC  
2017-05-22 07:06:27 UTC  

That's a pretty powerful thought. Materialism lets you see the world for what it is, without superstitious perceptions, and the standard increases everywhere.

2017-05-22 07:07:23 UTC  

You could say that religion hijacked beauty.

2017-05-22 07:07:29 UTC  

@Deleted User materialism doesn't even care.

2017-05-22 07:07:52 UTC  

It just is

2017-05-22 07:08:21 UTC  

@Corset No, materialism doesn't care. But if our subjective reflects the objective, the quality of our products increase?

2017-05-22 07:09:45 UTC  

@Deleted User If you do things according to how they are?

2017-05-22 07:10:02 UTC  

Completely possible.

2017-05-22 07:12:32 UTC  

I mean, you said that profit motive perverts quality, which makes art shitty. Which means, that socialism makes art better, by increasing quality.

2017-05-22 07:13:03 UTC  
2017-05-22 07:13:54 UTC  

Materialism makes everything its own

2017-05-22 07:13:59 UTC  

but also relative

2017-05-22 07:14:58 UTC  

When material conditions improve, because of Marxist thought, then so does the quality of art, which is reflected in the minds of artists as materialist thought.

2017-05-22 07:15:46 UTC  

@Deleted User not only

2017-05-22 07:15:55 UTC  

@Corset What do you mean, it makes everything relative?

2017-05-22 07:15:55 UTC  

subjectively too.

2017-05-22 07:16:14 UTC  

@Deleted User matter is constant and relative

2017-05-22 07:16:34 UTC  

At the same time

2017-05-22 07:16:59 UTC  

@Corset Do Marxists only think like materialists?

2017-05-22 07:17:21 UTC  

@Deleted User yes, otherwise they are not Marxist