all the time

But stays

at the same time

OK, so how come we have such shitty art and music nowadays (in general)? Is it because the subjective is a reflection of the objective, and those in the capitalist system are infected with a 'class virus', and thus reflected poorly on the art they produce?

@Deleted User the profit motive of the creation of the quality is a pure perversion of all things.

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

Is a pure destruction of quality.

The degeneracy.

@Corset Do you think as class consciousness increases so does the quality of art?

Less perverted?

@Deleted User yes. The quality of art is able to meet the beauty of the reality.

https://youtu.be/yLAwPMjphUw

That's a pretty powerful thought. Materialism lets you see the world for what it is, without superstitious perceptions, and the standard increases everywhere.

You could say that religion hijacked beauty.

@Deleted User materialism doesn't even care.

It just is

@Corset No, materialism doesn't care. But if our subjective reflects the objective, the quality of our products increase?

@Deleted User If you do things according to how they are?

Completely possible.

I mean, you said that profit motive perverts quality, which makes art shitty. Which means, that socialism makes art better, by increasing quality.

@Deleted User yes.

Materialism makes everything its own

but also relative

When material conditions improve, because of Marxist thought, then so does the quality of art, which is reflected in the minds of artists as materialist thought.

@Deleted User not only

@Corset What do you mean, it makes everything relative?

subjectively too.

@Deleted User matter is constant and relative

At the same time

@Corset Do Marxists only think like materialists?

@Deleted User yes, otherwise they are not Marxist

It is fundamental

https://youtu.be/yU3Nt6KiLcg

I think I understand now. Making art is just apart of human life. It is perverts by profit motives and other falsehoods. But when the perversion is gone, humans are able to express themselves with better quality. They remove perversion with materialist thought. But art is not the aim. Materialist thought and Marxist thought just allows humans to express with better qualify, free from perverted motives.

@Corset So then, is art and music ultimately necessary?

@Deleted User no

nothing is ultimate, friend.

Matter is moving.

Change is flowing.

@Corset How much should revolutionaries indulge in music? Is it only to increase revolution?

And everything is ultimate at the same time.