Or something else

Just one of millions

alrite

Use heroin

Where is your free will now

Drink 7 beers in a row

Oh I guess your chemical state had a direct effect on your consciousness

i mean are you just saying we're subject to cause and effect...?

Yes

YES

There is NO

"Oh I guess your chemical state had a direct effect on your consciousness"

proof to suggest otherwise

Also YES on that thing

again, there are rationalist critiques of this stuff. David Hume posed epistemological problems for science which have never been overcome

On a side note, it is a rather deep feeling of acknowleding that we're part of a continuation of long past events.

That sense of continuity

dat dooty

The sooner you get over it the better

Yes I am quite happy to meet Schopenhauer.

However, nagarjuna

If you want to seriously argue against anything but strict determinism

You ought to analyze a mentally-handicapped person and observe his "free-will" and consciousness

>If you want to seriously argue against anything but strict determinism
what does this mean, if I want to argue against determinism?

If you want to suggest or imply that the world around us is not deterministic

Does a person intoxicated and doing shit he doesn't usually does

count as free will?

Or would it be within the purview of the brain's chemical's state?

I have no problem with determinism, fatalism is of course similar. to me the difference can even be expressed within science. If time is not a natural kind but rather an emergent property, then there is no determinism because there is really no temporal line in which one thing causes what happens "after" it. there is no after

I obviously cannot prove that time is not "real" but the topic does come up in science. for example there is no time for light i believe

The response to that is that the initial start point of energy-matter and spacetime occurs

So metaphysics is out of the question?

No

oh

why not simply an eternal universe

it's against the laws of physics

How come there would be an eternal universe when big bang says otherwise

Cosmic background radiation and what not

But, in general we reach a paradox

also at that level you're saying that everything is determined by the start of the universe. then the idea that the superstructure is determined by the base is wrong-> both are determined by the big bang

A causeless event

So the question reverts back to what made this start of things?

Which is a given that is assumed by physics

No I dont think we can ever determine that

but we don't really know what happened at the big bang we can only get to within the last split second but its still important. there are competing theories

Should ethics be concerned about this?

It still comes down to a causeless event

Knowing the beginning of everything?

Ehh up to them lol

Right but that just shows science can't explain everything lambo

it's rather a hard question

I never stated science could explain everything

That is truthfully sad

I do state that science can explain the material conditions around us

Which still give ways for religion to subjugate others because science can't give enough

including the human condition that we live in every moment

but if it can't exlain everything it can't really explain anything

It can explain everything materialistc

It can explain everything

but it is not probable

atm

we don't even know if we're gonna get hit by a big rock in the next decades

or so

We're rather in a stuck issue with being a tiny blot in an empty vast space

assuming there is no other life forms

But I'm not really against materialism, it's not a big deal to me. My big issue then is that "ideas" are just as material as the sun. I hate the constant harping about "idealism" because brains are material objects and i think marxists neglect the role of ideology as the software of human brain hardware

I am almost entirely against idealism

From a scientific standpoint

So Marxists should take into consideration the concepts of what exactly?

I could understand absorbing it in political strategies

but aren't ideas material? answer me

but philosophically?

That's hard.

Ok I will

From basic reduction, we can see that sociology stems from the principles of psychology, psychology from biology, biology from chemistry, etc. Due to this, ideas can be vaguely described as products that arise from complex reactions in the brain

In this context, do you say ideas do not exist in other forms of the world?

These complex reactions, (mood, feelings, memory, cognition, instict, etc) are only influenced by material s

Just solely in the brain meat themselves?

Yes.

aight

There has to be some

evidence to suggest otherwise

I'm in full agreement

Yeah no problem with that

So, as I understand it

Idealism is a false approach to any solution

It's just to me that means it's clear that we have to engage with ideas- they are part of the material conditions!

Since the underlying problems are materialistic

i never said im for idealism

No

but people call baudrillard idealist because he's interested in symbolic relations, not just economic interest

I would say ideas are products of material conditions

but all material conditions are the product of material conditions....

One cannot fix the mental patient by talking him into sanity

We must give him medicine

Nor can it be addressed by prayer

take that religious fokheds

Similarly, one cannot help the wicked, the poor, the lame, and the abused, by merely talking them into sanity

Altho what do you people say about placebo effects?

I think this is an easy excuse though when your ideas are not good enough or you haven't found the right way to communicate

I argue that placebo effects are misunderstandings in changes in material effects

then you just say "oh we were right and all the material conditions werent right yet"

Hence, why they arent consistent

Ok, well there is no objective "good idea"

There are ideas which society deems as "good" or "bad"

This a topic in sociology

Which is directly shaped by psychology

which is directly shaped by biology

The success of an idea is dependent on the material conditions that the idea arose from.

It is not by chance that countries don't revert back to feudalism intentionally or slavery for that matter

Would the case of Lenin introducing NEP a good sample for this?

but ideas are not temporally after this chain of science- each idea is directly biology, chemistry, physics

If I have an idea of nationalism, for example, that idea is just a relation in my brain which is firing on certain receptors

It has to do with the media I consume, which is also a material relation. cyberspace seems ephemeral but all media are material objectsa

all signs are written in matter, all ideas are gotten across that way and are present on the physical hardware of the brain (and the brain is the most complex and significant physical object there is)

To me idealism can mean 1) you think everything is ideas, or 2) you imagine that the world should conform to your ideas.

When I get called an idealist by marxists, I guess I think they mean #1

To me, I think what everything is made of is simply a mystery. I don't claim to know it is ideas, but when you say everything is matter, well, what is matter exactly? we don't know

so it's just like saying "everything is made of the stuff that everything is made of"

so the matter inside the matter is not a gurantee that it exists as only a matter itself?

In nutshell?

And that there could be a 4th party involved?

What I'm saying has more to do with the physics- we don't know what the particles are made of

yeh

even staying within materialism, we just don't know what the stuff "really" is, that's all

so in a way matter remains a concept, an idea, within materialism. Hence I think it is simply a silly debate. But I don't insist on a positive position, i.e. that I "know" what everything is. Hence I don't think I'm an idealist

I am very interested in the controversy about monism in the soviet union I wish I knew more about that

Well what you proposed doesn't even have a narrow interpretation that necessarily aligns itself with ideas

i don't get it

And since the matter is the issue at hand in its composition

What I'm saying is, I don't find any of your sentences to be worth being accused of being an idealist.

oh word

Was the Marxists that attributed you an idealist here in the server?

Well when I bring up Baudrillard on leftypol that's just the immediate reaction. Sorry for venting

Or someplace else?

Nah that's alright.

the imageboard

Ah

I mean I do think it

is an interesting philosophical debate or discussion, but it seems like many people use concepts so they don't have to think

but it's ok, I learn alot from the discussions. This is my first time on this server but I'll come back I like the more fast paced discussion

and I like the challenge 😉

oof

lambo

Lambo

concepts are part of thinking

I'm back fellers

They are but poetic thought is about getting beyond concepts. It's like Buddha pointing at the Moon. The finger is the concept, the Moon is the ineffable

I don't think we disagree on idealism

I'm mainly on the point that the "value" of an idea is determined by society, which I'm pretty sure we can agree. I say that ideas do not have any inherent value behind them, and that the value put on them is subjectively determined by society, and on a personal scale, by the individual.

I'm with you. I mean to take an example, nationalism. People identify with their nation because of material conditions: there are a lot of people in the world, we're vulnerable to violence, so we band together to try and protect ourselves from the larger social outside. Nations are connected to religions, since both are based on myths having to do with origins (national history / creation myths) and a sense of purpose perhaps

I think this is a Marxist position, perhaps: simple denunciation is no good, you have to address the root causes of the behavior and ideas which impede communism. Where this intersects with the economism debate is that people aren't just about material interests, it's more that they are about the meaning of their life, being faithful in some way to whatever the respect, whether that's the government/army, or their ancestors (cultural heritage). So a problem we face is that people insist on having things just the way they want them, as part of a demand to recognize the reality of their culture

This is something that all kinds of people do, but the desires of the powerless are of course ignored (eviction of the lakota from the black hills for example)

But, when it comes to people who have relatively more power, their irrational expectations for reality have material consequences since they will behave irrationally to try to make the world fit their vision of their cultural destiny

In other words, ideas are not only downstream from material conditions-> they also change material conditions

of course, I think ideas themselves are material conditions, so it's just that different aspects of material reality are mutually influencing each other

Oooh

Now Im hungry

I just ate

fucking yeet

Took my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry

Great awakening got banned of Reddit. Notable maybe

Reddits gay.

Yeah but gay backwards is just yag so

Thats autistic

Welp Imma be a criminal now

Sounds pretty yag fam

im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
I don't drink
I don't cuss
I wanna ride on the front of the bus
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
I wanna eat where the white folks feed
Cause Im white on the bottom of my feet
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
We don't screw like the white folks do
We just screw to we can do
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
I wanna be white more and more
So I can bitch at the nigger next door
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
Im glad this tune came along
We done more out one nigger song
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
I wanna be white don't you understand
So I can play in a trashy white band
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP
Im an Alabama nigger and I wanna be free
Hell with the NAACP

Same

what's the NAACP?

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People

Why "Hell with the NAACP"? then?

I think it's within

What>

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is a civil rights organization in the United States, formed in 1909 as a bi-racial endeavor to advance justice for African Americans by a group including W. E. B. Du Bois, Mary White Ovington and Moorfield Storey.Wikipedia

Yag yag yag

Blacks who like the confederate flag

Confedergay

ha

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480158493194846208/488728473683099648/o-o.png

wtf

Cringey

Yuropoors going full socialism lmao

They have become beings of pure cuckoldry

Mmm

Chew my fingers bb

Domminate the room, do what i do, get one of those 15L water cooler bottles and bring it to class slung over one shoulder, slam that motherfucker on the ground in the aisle.

Everytime you feel a little thirsty stand up, lift the bottle to your mouth with both arms, make sure you spill plenty of water over yourself and the floor every time you do, also, let out a deep, loud, exhalation of satisfaction after every sip, then finish the routine by slamming the bottle on the ground again before loudly saying, "pfew, I needed that, I was getting a bit THIRSTY" yell thirsty as loud as you can.

When class finishes, pick up the bottle in such a way that the remainder pours out as you leave the room

I get no satisfaction

Facts

Communism sucks

Socialism is trash

The only good view of economics is capitalism

The only thing is National Socialism doesnt have state capitalism like communism does

A united europe in the style of ancient rome with a constitutional republic state and a culture like the renaissance with philosophers of ancient greece and gods from the romans and greeks to be worshipped sounds like heaven to me

Although I prefer countries to have a sense of nationality rather than globalist ideals. But either way a united europe would be a fantastic country like when it was the roman empire

Still a good idea of paradise to me though

Too bad subhumans like @Deleted User couldnt possibly understand such European beauty

Same for nikist and the others

Get fucked!

High five @Mr. X

what if niggers arent real?

have you ever seen a nigger?

Yes

your mother is one isnt she?

OHHH

We need another renaissance

Enough islamic pandering bullshit and focus on perfect our culture rather than trying to replace it with inferior ones.

cringed

Ok leafy

bunch of ramblings

made by an irish ape

Said the paki <:GWcorbinTopKek:384871333705678868>

DOg how far away is the closest well to you?

Why do you spell his name

Just @ him

Because he knows Im talking to him and I just typed right after he did

he can see it

When the river runs red, take the dirt road instead.

Feel free to send me nudes.

*winks* @PugSlugger

Gays

The ancient greeks and romans really knew the ideal body type aswell

Now we have dumb shit like "fat acceptance"

Pure degeneracy

I can write an entire book critiquing modern western culture and explaining how inferior it is now compared to what it used to be.

Hunter Avallone is daddy

@Mr. X the correct word would be "contemporary"

fuckface

irish ape

Wrong again goat fucker

the contemporary era was is 1945 to the present. Im not talking about the 1900s even though they were much better culturally than now.

Im talking about the present, hence why I said modern western culture.

I'm a sjw, I fight for blacks and Jews for reasons with no proof

No they do have a point for that. Which is that they know blacks and jews even as a minority are still people and dont discriminate them. What's retarded is that they discriminate white cis males because of a stupid victim complex

Correct

@Deleted User 😉

Ooh

Hey big boy

Fuck niggers

@Mr. X this shit is funny

Send me your nozzle

lmao