But I'm not really against materialism, it's not a big deal to me. My big issue then is that "ideas" are just as material as the sun. I hate the constant harping about "idealism" because brains are material objects and i think marxists neglect the role of ideology as the software of human brain hardware

I am almost entirely against idealism

From a scientific standpoint

So Marxists should take into consideration the concepts of what exactly?

I could understand absorbing it in political strategies

but aren't ideas material? answer me

but philosophically?

That's hard.

Ok I will

From basic reduction, we can see that sociology stems from the principles of psychology, psychology from biology, biology from chemistry, etc. Due to this, ideas can be vaguely described as products that arise from complex reactions in the brain

In this context, do you say ideas do not exist in other forms of the world?

These complex reactions, (mood, feelings, memory, cognition, instict, etc) are only influenced by material s

Just solely in the brain meat themselves?

Yes.

aight

There has to be some

evidence to suggest otherwise

I'm in full agreement

Yeah no problem with that

So, as I understand it

Idealism is a false approach to any solution

It's just to me that means it's clear that we have to engage with ideas- they are part of the material conditions!

Since the underlying problems are materialistic

i never said im for idealism

No

but people call baudrillard idealist because he's interested in symbolic relations, not just economic interest

I would say ideas are products of material conditions

but all material conditions are the product of material conditions....

One cannot fix the mental patient by talking him into sanity

We must give him medicine

Nor can it be addressed by prayer

take that religious fokheds

Similarly, one cannot help the wicked, the poor, the lame, and the abused, by merely talking them into sanity

Altho what do you people say about placebo effects?

I think this is an easy excuse though when your ideas are not good enough or you haven't found the right way to communicate

I argue that placebo effects are misunderstandings in changes in material effects

then you just say "oh we were right and all the material conditions werent right yet"

Hence, why they arent consistent

Ok, well there is no objective "good idea"

There are ideas which society deems as "good" or "bad"

This a topic in sociology