Message from @Dushman

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2018-09-12 15:23:53 UTC  

I never stated science could explain everything

2018-09-12 15:24:00 UTC  

That is truthfully sad

2018-09-12 15:24:05 UTC  

I do state that science can explain the material conditions around us

2018-09-12 15:24:10 UTC  

Which still give ways for religion to subjugate others because science can't give enough

2018-09-12 15:24:12 UTC  

including the human condition that we live in every moment

2018-09-12 15:24:19 UTC  

but if it can't exlain everything it can't really explain anything

2018-09-12 15:24:26 UTC  

It can explain everything materialistc

2018-09-12 15:24:30 UTC  

It can explain everything

2018-09-12 15:24:33 UTC  

but it is not probable

2018-09-12 15:24:36 UTC  

atm

2018-09-12 15:24:46 UTC  

we don't even know if we're gonna get hit by a big rock in the next decades

2018-09-12 15:24:47 UTC  

or so

2018-09-12 15:25:01 UTC  

We're rather in a stuck issue with being a tiny blot in an empty vast space

2018-09-12 15:25:05 UTC  

assuming there is no other life forms

2018-09-12 15:25:55 UTC  

But I'm not really against materialism, it's not a big deal to me. My big issue then is that "ideas" are just as material as the sun. I hate the constant harping about "idealism" because brains are material objects and i think marxists neglect the role of ideology as the software of human brain hardware

2018-09-12 15:26:12 UTC  

I am almost entirely against idealism

2018-09-12 15:26:18 UTC  

From a scientific standpoint

2018-09-12 15:26:21 UTC  

So Marxists should take into consideration the concepts of what exactly?

2018-09-12 15:26:30 UTC  

I could understand absorbing it in political strategies

2018-09-12 15:26:33 UTC  

but aren't ideas material? answer me

2018-09-12 15:26:33 UTC  

but philosophically?

2018-09-12 15:26:35 UTC  

That's hard.

2018-09-12 15:26:38 UTC  

Ok I will

2018-09-12 15:27:48 UTC  

From basic reduction, we can see that sociology stems from the principles of psychology, psychology from biology, biology from chemistry, etc. Due to this, ideas can be vaguely described as products that arise from complex reactions in the brain

2018-09-12 15:28:37 UTC  

In this context, do you say ideas do not exist in other forms of the world?

2018-09-12 15:28:39 UTC  

These complex reactions, (mood, feelings, memory, cognition, instict, etc) are only influenced by material s

2018-09-12 15:28:45 UTC  

Just solely in the brain meat themselves?

2018-09-12 15:28:59 UTC  

Yes.

2018-09-12 15:29:01 UTC  

aight

2018-09-12 15:29:07 UTC  

There has to be some

2018-09-12 15:29:11 UTC  

evidence to suggest otherwise

2018-09-12 15:29:12 UTC  

I'm in full agreement

2018-09-12 15:29:19 UTC  

Yeah no problem with that

2018-09-12 15:29:23 UTC  

So, as I understand it

2018-09-12 15:29:33 UTC  

Idealism is a false approach to any solution

2018-09-12 15:29:36 UTC  

It's just to me that means it's clear that we have to engage with ideas- they are part of the material conditions!

2018-09-12 15:29:42 UTC  

Since the underlying problems are materialistic

2018-09-12 15:29:44 UTC  

i never said im for idealism

2018-09-12 15:29:46 UTC  

No

2018-09-12 15:30:03 UTC  

but people call baudrillard idealist because he's interested in symbolic relations, not just economic interest

2018-09-12 15:30:04 UTC  

I would say ideas are products of material conditions