Oh Lord that flag

I’m now Hellen Keller

So who do you support?

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left

Why’s that?

Well now that you know what it is, do you think single payer healthcare is socialism?

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left

@maostravelagent who are the “most people” living in poverty under capitalism in America?

@Firefly you’re right. What I’d give to live rent free in the Soviet Union...

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left what’s the substantive difference between the government owning the means of production and the government redistributing profits gained by businesses using the means of production?

@Firefly would you rather live in the USSR or the USA

@Firefly you have any evidence to back up that most former Soviet citizens wanna go back to the good old days?

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left but there’s a difference between taxation out of necessity and massive totalitarian redistribution of wealth. We’ve distanced ourselves so far from limited government over the past century. If you’re working hard every day, why should you give a third or more of your income away so some illegal alien can get a federally funded public health plan in California?

And p well

@Firefly the fact that the USSR used the military to hold everyone in kind of belies your argument for how great it was

@Firefly but the USSR didn’t disagree with it or else the vast number of citizens who wanted to leave would’ve been able to

@Firefly so even if you personally disagree with a movement restriction policy, no communist country in modern history has been able to exist without tyrannically ruling over its citizens. Are you telling me you’ve found the secret to utopia that all communist leaders, and even thinkers like Marx and Hegel, have missed all these years?

@Firefly yeah because all the countries were in financial ruin after the USSR collapsed, not because of some failure of capitalism

If you don’t mind me asking, where do you live currently

Almost all countries in the former Soviet Union after the government failed @Firefly

@Firefly Ukraine is one example. Lithuania has risen in past decades. But there’s a lot more in these countries’ individual histories than just their time in the Soviet Union. It’s not like Ukraine has had a continuous mass exodus since the 1980’s, the exodus has ended. It started when the Soviet Union collapsed /because/ the Soviet Union collapsed

@Firefly slightly but yeah. And seems like the USSR should’ve taken better care of its citizens if their collapse left such a mess

And more people leave now than ever because of internal extremism. It’s not been a constant stream of people leaving since the 1980’s, this uptick has been recent

@Firefly what country do you live in currently? Also yeah their economy is a disaster because they haven’t recovered from the collapse of the USSR. If they never tried communism in the first place they’d have been a lot better off

They had entitlement to their own wealth and intellectual property, which is what has led the United States to become the most abundant society in world history

Opportunity and incentive to create wealth, even abundant wealth, is what every communist and majority socialist society lacks

Well you never really answered where you live now, so it’s a little hard to form any points when I can’t make them familiar to you because i have no idea what your culture is

Also it’s not propaganda to believe there’s no opportunity to create wealth in a communist society. You get more reward for becoming a doctor in a capitalist country than a communist country, and if you don’t agree with that basic truth you’re the one who doesn’t believe in facts

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left I’m not against people being paid what they deserve, but I’m for people being paid what they agree to in a free and civilized society which is what happens in the United States

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left Nobody has to earn money or work, the government doesn’t force them. But that’s kind of beside the point. The beauty of capitalism when the government is fair is that anyone can rise to be extraordinarily wealthy which happens all the time. It’s what happens when a system is customer oriented instead of worker oriented

@buyXRBpls Pal I live in the US and that isn’t what happens with teachers. Just because you choose to live life on the public payroll and can’t afford a BMW 4 series doesn’t mean you’re impoverished. I’ve never met a teacher who doesn’t have a smartphone. They get pensions. They get public health insurance. They get more days off than almost anyone in the private sector. They have public sector unions who constantly sue the taxpayer for more money and obscene working rules. Teachers should count their blessings

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left lmao I know you want me to denounce capitalism, but I’m driven by profits. If I’m gonna go to school for over a decade to be a doctor, I’d wanna know my salary is worth it, and not what the government deems is worth it. I wanna charge what I want for my work so I can get the bigger house and the faster car

@buyXRBpls my own moms a teacher and we live just fine. And guess what? Not only does she have an iPhone, but so do I and my brother. Somehow your brilliant theory falls apart

@buyXRBpls I live in Florida, and nobody’s saying anything about privilege except you. It’s not a life of luxury but I’m not poor by any means and neither is anyone else I know who’s a teacher. Even in Wisconsin where the teachers can’t stop crying because (Heaven forbid) they pay their own medical bills, they’re fine. There’s people earning way less in the private sector

@buyXRBpls a lot of people go on strike when their public unions tell them to. You have no idea what poverty is, you greedy sob who wants to live off the government dole

@buyXRBpls do you receive any public assistance, out of curiosity?

@buyXRBpls states don’t have to listen to public sector unions, and they have no moral problem for telling them no every now and then. And you never answered whether or not you get public assistance

@buyXRBpls also you’re right I don’t know what poverty is because as I explained teachers’ salaries are just fine. You don’t know what poverty is either, though, because you sound way too entitled to ever have to struggle

@buyXRBpls if you have an iPhone you’re not impoverished because they’re hundreds of dollars with expensive data plans. And I’m glad you’re not on any public assistance because I’d hate to support an entitled moron like you

And constitutional conservative. I’m not a social liberal either

@buyXRBpls the reason I asked is because there’s plenty of people on the public payroll who shouldn’t be on it and who game the system

And you sound a lot like someone who’d do that given your rhetoric

@buyXRBpls what do you believe teachers should be able to afford that they can’t afford now?

@buyXRBpls also I’m all for helping those who really need help, but I’m not for expanding decades-old federal programs that were never designed to have so many people on them which causes them to collapse

@buyXRBpls pal teachers get public healthcare. What do you mean they can’t afford healthcare?

@supermodel ruben the argument is that this country is spending itself into oblivion because politicians use our public assistance programs as voter dependence programs which causes recipients to feel entitled

@buyXRBpls 2/3 of our budget is Medicaid and social security. Just because you say we don’t have tons of different programs (which we do if you look at all the executive agencies) doesn’t mean we don’t spend insane amounts on redistribution of wealth

@supermodel ruben buy wants to increase spending and believes everyone needs more money except the evil Jews on Wall Street

See lol, I know the liberal mindset like the back of my hand

Know thine enemy

@buyXRBpls I’m not saying all recipients are gaming the system or feel entitled. What I’m saying is that too many people are on these programs who shouldn’t be on them and that politicians use these programs to make people dependent on them

@buyXRBpls exactly which is why we should reduce the size of these programs, use federalism to localize public assistance as the founding fathers intended, and free up the private sector

@buyXRBpls look you understand these programs are being weaponized and there’s partisan corruption in our system, so you’re halfway there already. What you need to understand is the benefit of the private sector can’t be matched by government programs and inefficiency

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left the Republican Party doesn’t decide my worldview and “conservative” is a relative term. Just because a group donates to republicans doesn’t mean it’s conservative. There’s all kinds of liberal republicans

@buyXRBpls solving issues is necessary to create profit. Also public sector unions lobby the democrat party without fail

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left the issue with public assistance is that it’s too centralized in the federal government, it’s based on laws written decades ago designed to assist a fraction of the people that it does today, and as a result of those two things it’s crashing. Just look at social security. Even the social security trustees say it’ll go broke in less than two decades, which means while democrats want to expand these programs they’re actually collapsing

@buyXRBpls lmao fuck profit? Profit makes the world go round my friend. Why would anyone be a doctor if they can’t make a killing off it going to school for 12 years and working long hours?

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left i agree with you. If you need help you need help. The issue is not everyone on these programs today needs these programs, and many recipients often never get off public assistance because the government makes it hard for people to get off public funds

@buyXRBpls yeah and you have to bring your own blankets to Cuban hospitals and the doctors reuse syringes. Nice try 😃

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left I’m not in favor of a universal basic income. I’m in favor of a fairly negotiated wage in a free society which this country needs to get back to if we don’t wanna end up broke like Europe

@buyXRBpls Europe isn’t fine at all. Their economies are falling apart one by one, and even unrelated to economic policy their immigration is a disaster

@buyXRBpls also what i described does happen in Cuba. I’m in Miami and almost everyone I know who was born in Cuba has horror stories about their hospitals

@buyXRBpls yo even though I find you to draw insane conclusions, I feel like I can take a liking to you somehow lmao

@buyXRBpls if I give you a book to read will you read it

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left why is it so bad that a person who invents a life saving drug gets paid millions of dollars for it?

@buyXRBpls it’s a shame you don’t read theory.

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left starving children get money from government assistance. Just because oftentimes their parents misuse it doesn’t mean we don’t do everything we can as the taxpayers to help these kids out. And that’s not mutually exclusive. We can help struggling families out while still earning vast sums for the great work we do, as long as we don’t have a massive central government which spends the country into default which is what’s happening now

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left you don’t need $10 billion, but if you want $10 billion it’s your right to earn it if that’s what people wanna pay you. What’s the moral and constitutional basis for limiting what you earn? What if someone earns $80 billion and donates half? Are they morally problematic to you?

@Zero Two is back nah. I’m an American constitutional conservative

@supermodel ruben I’m not anarchist. I’m conservative which is way better

How many people on here live in the United States

Everyone who lives in the US should vote for the true conservatives in their districts so this country doesn’t go to hell. We’re spending way too much and by the time we retire these social programs aren’t even gonna exist because they’re going broke

If you like living in a free society you should do the right thing

Why would vote for Bernie? He doesn’t even practice what he preaches and his wife is under investigation by the FBI for fraud

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left it’s not about how much you need. Your mindset seems to operate based on how much people need. The point is people are paid what they earn. If someone earns $40 billion because their customers like their product is the government supposed to step in and say they can’t earn that?

The only way is American conservatism

Liberty and private property rights

@Zero Two is back the left and right aren’t political parties. They’re loose terms that describe a variety of worldview

@Zero Two is back it’s not about political parties. It’s about your worldview. If you believe in freedom and stand with the founding fathers and the framers of the constitution, you’d vote conservative because they want to preserve those values

If you want to live in a totalitarian society run by nameless, faceless government officials that give massive amounts of what you earn to illegal aliens and who give voting rights to convicted felons then vote democrat

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left how can a document be outdated if there’s 4 built in ways to amend it and make it newer? It literally can’t be outdated because you can change it

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left the constitution is just meant to be a framework of government, man. It’s not a guide for all of society. It’s a way for us to keep tyranny at bay. Don’t focus too much on when the document was written. Focus on what the document says.

@buyXRBpls we have judicial tyranny because the courts believe themselves to be a supreme branch of government, and we have executive tyranny because we have a massive administrative state that does whatever it wants. And you’re right lobbyists have too much power. But the only way to stop that issue is for the people to educate themselves instead of being sheep

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left if a foreign body took us over and gave us the option to keep all but one of our bill of rights, which would you give up

@buyXRBpls the two party system governs congress it doesn’t govern our electorate. Political parties aren’t in the constitution. People are just lazy

@buyXRBpls well that isn’t you or me. People just have to think independently

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left the point I’m trying to make is you can’t get rid of any because it’s too much of an encroachment on our natural rights. The bill of rights is based on natural human law, not on governmentally given freedoms.

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left the people of Afghanistan have the same rights we have. The difference is that our constitution acknowledges these rights where as Afghanistan’s government doesn’t

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left I see that, but what I’m trying to do is tell you it’s the best document we can have for a government

People can congregate on whatever they want as long as they pledge allegiance to the nation and culture they’re a citizen of in a free society

@NightTerror6 it’s because kokamoe is an Alinskyite who believes, as alisnky wrote in his book Rules for Radicals, that balkanizing a country’s people is a way to restructure society to become more collective

@NightTerror6 I’m also more of an objectivist. But I’m also very conservative so I come at this from a different perspective than most people in here

@Deleted User you’re right, but then most ideas rooted in Marx’s and Hegel’s philosophies are new fringe ideas

I mean he did bring an end to a 70 year war

All Blow Job Bill did was make it worse

It’s actually bad in theory. It’s an incomplete view of utopia

Not to mention that “I exist, therefore I’m entitled to someone else’s stuff” is an immoral state of mind

I mean he has to get a lot more ideologically conservative and not as transactional

As far as spending and taxation goes

But he’s doing excellent so far given what he has to work with in congress and the administrative departments