Message from @Dushman
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Let me give you solid proof
aight
Put your hand in icy cold water for an hour
Ah the reflex
Should be below 20 Deg Celsius Idk what that is for fahrenheit
Or something else
Just one of millions
alrite
Use heroin
Where is your free will now
Drink 7 beers in a row
Oh I guess your chemical state had a direct effect on your consciousness
i mean are you just saying we're subject to cause and effect...?
Yes
YES
There is NO
"Oh I guess your chemical state had a direct effect on your consciousness"
proof to suggest otherwise
Also YES on that thing
again, there are rationalist critiques of this stuff. David Hume posed epistemological problems for science which have never been overcome
On a side note, it is a rather deep feeling of acknowleding that we're part of a continuation of long past events.
That sense of continuity
dat dooty
The sooner you get over it the better
Yes I am quite happy to meet Schopenhauer.
However, nagarjuna
If you want to seriously argue against anything but strict determinism
You ought to analyze a mentally-handicapped person and observe his "free-will" and consciousness
>If you want to seriously argue against anything but strict determinism
what does this mean, if I want to argue against determinism?
If you want to suggest or imply that the world around us is not deterministic
Does a person intoxicated and doing shit he doesn't usually does
count as free will?
Or would it be within the purview of the brain's chemical's state?
I have no problem with determinism, fatalism is of course similar. to me the difference can even be expressed within science. If time is not a natural kind but rather an emergent property, then there is no determinism because there is really no temporal line in which one thing causes what happens "after" it. there is no after
I obviously cannot prove that time is not "real" but the topic does come up in science. for example there is no time for light i believe
The response to that is that the initial start point of energy-matter and spacetime occurs
So metaphysics is out of the question?
No
oh
why not simply an eternal universe
it's against the laws of physics