Message from @rupan

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2018-09-12 15:14:16 UTC  

But can't we rather talk hypothetical about it?

2018-09-12 15:14:34 UTC  

How did Nietzsche built his foundations on nothing?

2018-09-12 15:14:41 UTC  

It wasn't on nothing

2018-09-12 15:14:47 UTC  

>So do we really have a choice? Or do we just obey what our mind perceives to be reasonable course in action?

I would phrase this as you respond to the challenge of the world at each moment

2018-09-12 15:14:48 UTC  

There was evidence in his own terms

2018-09-12 15:15:08 UTC  

That would also imply that we "obey"

2018-09-12 15:15:29 UTC  

"I would phrase this as you respond to the challenge of the world at each moment"

Am I truly challenging the world? Or am I just reacting to what I am supposed to do due to the pre-events determining my course of forming these sort of thoughts?

2018-09-12 15:15:35 UTC  

Are you even real people or am I asleep?

2018-09-12 15:15:37 UTC  

You are reacting

2018-09-12 15:15:44 UTC  

Let me give you solid proof

2018-09-12 15:15:47 UTC  

aight

2018-09-12 15:15:56 UTC  

Put your hand in icy cold water for an hour

2018-09-12 15:16:09 UTC  

Ah the reflex

2018-09-12 15:16:14 UTC  

Should be below 20 Deg Celsius Idk what that is for fahrenheit

2018-09-12 15:16:17 UTC  

Or something else

2018-09-12 15:16:17 UTC  

Just one of millions

2018-09-12 15:16:20 UTC  

alrite

2018-09-12 15:16:25 UTC  

Use heroin

2018-09-12 15:16:29 UTC  

Where is your free will now

2018-09-12 15:16:41 UTC  

Drink 7 beers in a row

2018-09-12 15:16:55 UTC  

Oh I guess your chemical state had a direct effect on your consciousness

2018-09-12 15:16:58 UTC  

i mean are you just saying we're subject to cause and effect...?

2018-09-12 15:17:02 UTC  

Yes

2018-09-12 15:17:06 UTC  

YES

2018-09-12 15:17:06 UTC  

There is NO

2018-09-12 15:17:08 UTC  

"Oh I guess your chemical state had a direct effect on your consciousness"

2018-09-12 15:17:09 UTC  

proof to suggest otherwise

2018-09-12 15:17:11 UTC  

Also YES on that thing

2018-09-12 15:17:23 UTC  

again, there are rationalist critiques of this stuff. David Hume posed epistemological problems for science which have never been overcome

2018-09-12 15:18:05 UTC  

On a side note, it is a rather deep feeling of acknowleding that we're part of a continuation of long past events.

2018-09-12 15:18:17 UTC  

That sense of continuity

2018-09-12 15:18:18 UTC  

dat dooty

2018-09-12 15:18:37 UTC  

The sooner you get over it the better

2018-09-12 15:18:47 UTC  

Yes I am quite happy to meet Schopenhauer.

2018-09-12 15:18:49 UTC  

However, nagarjuna

2018-09-12 15:18:58 UTC  

If you want to seriously argue against anything but strict determinism

2018-09-12 15:19:15 UTC  

You ought to analyze a mentally-handicapped person and observe his "free-will" and consciousness

2018-09-12 15:19:55 UTC  

>If you want to seriously argue against anything but strict determinism
what does this mean, if I want to argue against determinism?

2018-09-12 15:20:14 UTC  

If you want to suggest or imply that the world around us is not deterministic

2018-09-12 15:20:22 UTC  

Does a person intoxicated and doing shit he doesn't usually does

2018-09-12 15:20:25 UTC  

count as free will?