Message from @rupan
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but philosophically?
That's hard.
Ok I will
From basic reduction, we can see that sociology stems from the principles of psychology, psychology from biology, biology from chemistry, etc. Due to this, ideas can be vaguely described as products that arise from complex reactions in the brain
In this context, do you say ideas do not exist in other forms of the world?
These complex reactions, (mood, feelings, memory, cognition, instict, etc) are only influenced by material s
Just solely in the brain meat themselves?
Yes.
aight
There has to be some
evidence to suggest otherwise
I'm in full agreement
Yeah no problem with that
So, as I understand it
Idealism is a false approach to any solution
It's just to me that means it's clear that we have to engage with ideas- they are part of the material conditions!
Since the underlying problems are materialistic
i never said im for idealism
No
but people call baudrillard idealist because he's interested in symbolic relations, not just economic interest
but all material conditions are the product of material conditions....
One cannot fix the mental patient by talking him into sanity
We must give him medicine
Nor can it be addressed by prayer
take that religious fokheds
Similarly, one cannot help the wicked, the poor, the lame, and the abused, by merely talking them into sanity
Altho what do you people say about placebo effects?
I think this is an easy excuse though when your ideas are not good enough or you haven't found the right way to communicate
I argue that placebo effects are misunderstandings in changes in material effects
then you just say "oh we were right and all the material conditions werent right yet"
Hence, why they arent consistent
Ok, well there is no objective "good idea"
There are ideas which society deems as "good" or "bad"
This a topic in sociology
Which is directly shaped by psychology
which is directly shaped by biology
The success of an idea is dependent on the material conditions that the idea arose from.
It is not by chance that countries don't revert back to feudalism intentionally or slavery for that matter
Would the case of Lenin introducing NEP a good sample for this?
but ideas are not temporally after this chain of science- each idea is directly biology, chemistry, physics