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lol thats funny the article says the opposite
What defining characteristics would you say are associated with "the populist crowd that is on the fence about us"?
```One of the keynote speakers at the rally will be Richard Spencer, a white nationalist who has previously called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” in America. Despite a number of overlapping objectives, he has made on-record attempts to dissociate with the Klan. He and others affiliated with his movement also seek to distance themselves from the Confederate Flag, not because they disavow it as a symbol of white supremacy, but because its associations with poverty and “ignorance” negatively reflect on their brand. Spencer and his cohort want to update bigotry for the 21st Century. Their success relies upon delivering many of the same messages of intolerance in a more fashionable package. To put it another way, the online memes mocking a Klansmen’s misspelling of the word bible would damage their recruiting efforts.```
also you should have azzmador speak on behalf of the biggest alt right site
I don't know what Richard Spencer's views are on the Confederate flag but I'm the organizer and I want as many Confederate flags as possible
Who knows if you can even believe the article to begin with. These people put out so much false information.
@everyone Local news just estimated counter-protestors at 4,000. I think that number is an extreme highball but it bears repeating that EVERYONE needs to get to the park as early as possible and defend our territory. Park opens at 8am
well its going to the the entire town
plus ..... all of antifa?
sounds realistic imo
Fuck'em. Stay together and stay strong.
ya if we manage to pull at least 1000 we will be fine
FUCK ANTIFA !!!!
Bear in mind most of those people aren't combatants
right almost the entire town is bongo banging hippies
just going to be really smelly.
Just shit tier protestors
telling people to get there early is bad
That being said, out of town more radical antifa groups will make violence more enticing to those shit libs and influence them.
@MadDimension Security meeting Sat at 1700 in regards to this very issue
It will cause people to travel indovidually or small groups
I think everyone should be outside the park an hour early before it opens.
The most extremely prepared position I can think of? We all camp out in front of the monument the night before
They can't very well kick us out when they allowed the Occupy people to sleep there, tents and all, for a month
Coming from CA, can can barely make it there by 12pm on Saturday.
Please make various meet points.
Everyone needs to set up their recording devices (handless) in case of an assult.
Don't worry goys , we will arrive early and hold them at the hot gates
We will be fine as long as we have bodies there and willing to remove whoever is in our way. Vanguard is fabricating 20 additional shields. We should have a good amount between organizations. We just need to make sure we have bodies there ready to rock.
That 4000 number is psy-ops.
Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
And if it's true, all the cops will be busy and our elite commando Space Marine units will unleash White Sharia on the rest of the town.
It's no lose.
This is going to be epic
Those hippy thots won't know what hit them
Media always exaggerates how many people the left have and lies about how much the right has. If the NAACP spends $50k on buses, free hotel rooms, and free food to get 5,000 people, the media will say they had 60,000 every time. If right-wingers spend zero dollars and get 200 people, the media will say 50.
4000 against 1000 of us is no problem.
4 unarmed NatSocs hold off 20+ antifas armed with clubs/sticks. This was after the brawl https://vid.me/eOmp
damn those faggots are still messing with the cat cafe
have they been leaving more dead cats
no more dead cats that I know of, but the local Bloods gang came by and tagged it
Anyone know of a good mount to put your phone on for streaming/body camera so I can go handsfree?
@Trixie Dixie not sure about a phone mount since I have a GoPro. But I'm looking for an iPhone mount right now because I want to be filming with my GoPro and iPhone the entire rally
im guessing 600+ ourside 175+ law enforcement 1700+ their side.
word of warning: They do not like being recorded.
me. I have really nice hair.
I think we will get closer towards 1000 hopefully
but even then 600 vs 1700 is not bad.
my highest estimate is 3k but that includes all parties
This will be pretty interesting with the small area you guys will be working with.
I seriously doubt there will be 4,000 counter-protesters, especially with 23 people getting arrested two weeks ago. Arrests really rain on their parade. The only way they will get that many counter-protesters is if someone dumps about $30k to pay for everyone's travel expenses and food.
There is an annual NAACP march with a budget of over $50k+ each year. That is spent on free hotel rooms, buses, and free food. That is how they get a big crowd. Even then they will only have 5k, but the media will lie and multiply that by a factor of 12. I've counter-protested this march and there are rental buses and rental vans as far as the eye can see. They bring in welfare moms and their kids from a three state area. There are almost no men in the whole march except for the leaders who are paid employees of the NAACP. They used to give them a free buffet right at the end of the march, but they kept trashing the statehouse grounds with chicken bones and garbage, so the city makes them feed everyone someone else now. People don't realize how much money goes into these left-wing marches and protests.
"Stop throwing your chicken bones on the sidewalk"
@MadDimension ```My preference is that people bring Confederate flags over other flags because it is most relevant to the Lee statue and it resonates the most with the populist crowd that is on the fence about us``` There are a lot of people traveling there with other kinds of flags and banners. Will this be policed, or is this just a preference? Not trying to be contentious here, just looking for some clarity, since I have been to an event recently where this became a big deal.
it'll probably be like last time, where every group brings their own flags. but im sure there will be many rebel flags there. LS has our own flags
I'm just asking if there are any kinds of flags and/or banners that will be banned. Simple question. The question is not confined to Confederate flags.
nah some people are even bringing swastikas
And that's ok?
look at the flags banner and signs channel people are bringing all kinds of crazy shit
BC that's kinda what I'm asking about. Lots of people are gonna be wanting to address the JQ including me with their signs and such.
Rebel flag is horrible optics.
your face is horrible optics
But so are many other things.
If the mission is to stay in the past and be irrelevant sure
The mission is to preserve Southern heritage
If you're not down, don't come
what is up with people today
There's a higher mission here than just "muh southern pride"
What flag do you prefer?
may wanna see if you can get a refund on that ticket
@⚡Clark⚡ I'm taking up for your identitarian flags right now, but quit being a faggot about the Confederate flag, it is as identitarian as a flag gets.
this was the last one
thats every confederate flag
Southern culture= white American culture
There's no other culture like it in the world
Those are all identitarian flags
The original American Identitarians
whats up with all the shit starting today
Yankees get out reeeee
supposed to be uniting and people are shitting on other peoples things
IDK, and IDK what is up with someone bagging on the Confederate flag in a room full of Southerners unless he's just a masochist.
wonder if he knows what statue we're gonna be standing in front of
He was there for the last event
Not to counter signal, I'm not bagging on the confederate flag. I don't see it as the best optics personally.
Isn't it the Sherman buttplug statue?
@⚡Clark⚡ It's a dumb thing to even bring up. You're just gonna piss people off, and you're wrong anyway.
people can't seem to help but try to stir up shit
You're going to a rally in front of a statue of General Lee
Confederate flags are quite literally the best flags possible for that scenario.
@⚡Clark⚡ Are yopu a Yankee? BC I can't imagine a Southerner, whether he's pro or anti the Confederate flag, holding that it's not identitarian.
I mean, there are a few "rainbow Confederate" whack jobs, but that's a mental illness.
i think 1clark4 is writing us a novel
It had better be a "Backpedaling 101" manual
all that 1Clark4 is typing... for "lol" ?
All that time for a lol? What the fuck clark?
@⚡Clark⚡ The Confederate flag is THE BEST optics because it's beloved by legions of Southerners who are on the doorstep of becoming just like us if we can move them beyond "heritage not hate".
They should be with us already but they've had weak leadership
we just lost another one down here
Let me just be seriuos for a moment and givemy opinion about this and tell you my plans.
DS needs some representation
it gets more uniques than all these other speakers sites combined
it is truly changing the face of this movement
and reaching out to more people than anything
very good speaker too
I'm a Yankee from MI and there are almost as many confederate flags flying in front of houses in my home town as there are american flags
I will be coming with a fairly large contingent of Texas Daily Strormer Book Clubs, Vanguard Texas, and others. We'll be carrying Confederate fl;ags, and since we're from Texas we'll also be sporting some of the more aggressive historical Texas flags, like the Bloody Arm Banner, to represent. We are also Daily Stormer, so we'll be representing that as well with some of our banners and signs etc. I think there is room here for every kind of flag, but the Confederate flags will and should be the overriding thing. That said, I'm not running anything here, this is just my opinion and our plans.
@WhiteTrash No, I had one guest who's sister died and then the second guest had technical issues so no show this week.
damn that sucks azzmador
about the sister...i can go without the show
Yeah, I would have done one by myself but those take more prep time and the show was late by the time Irealized my secoind guest was not set up to do a podcast.
I've made sure that I have a guest forthis week.
But the thing about these flags is -the Confederate flag is an absolute necessity, and here's why:
You can't really just have an event where you say "we're White & we're here!" That's been done over and over and the results are always underwhelming. There has to be an event you are protesting, or a protest you are counterprotesting, or the general public just thinks "wtf?" Campus speeches seem to be the only exception to this.
This event was triggered originally by the attempt to remove Lee's statue, and people understand that.
It's a concept they can wrap their minds around, the destruction of their history and the denigration of their ancestors.
And the Confederate flag is emblematic of this particular struggle.
You have to think about these things on an archetypal level. That's where meme magic comes from.
plus that fact that's its an internationally recognized symbol will help resonate with other WN movements worldwide, when they see us Southerners take our stand along side sympathetic domestic groups
My fear is that by using the confederate flag you make the issue that we are rallying against only a southern issue. If that clarifies my opinion
the confederate flag and cause has mass appeal even among northerners
because everyone knows northern heroes are next
rural northerners have more in common with rural southerners than they do with northern urbanites
and they know it
It is the Southern Symbols that are under attack right now. They'll be moving onto the yankee ones in due time.
@crockett How does the confederate flag relay the message to the northerners that they are next?
I'm not sure I'm tracking.
Instead of using a southern identitarian flag, focus on using symbols that have the ability to resonate with a larger demographic.
The CBF is a big fuck you to the establishment if that's what you mean.
I understand where you're coming from, but it all started in Charlottesville with the Confederate Memorials.
That is just what I argue, but I understand the sentiment not being well accepted among the die hard southerners here. Nonetheless, it's a southern rally and I respect it either way.
Personally I'll be carrying the SN Flag.
I'm from Michigan and I think counter signaling Confederate flags is asinine.
Never mind the fact that we have an entire channel for this topic... lol
With almost 20 million Jews in the world what else would you ever need to countersignal?
Where I come from there's a confederate flag on almost every car, flying from almost every house, and on shirts. It's our heritage, don't countersignal just because it's not yours or you don't understand it.
@⚡Clark⚡ The only way your continuing down this path is productive is if it were somehow possible you might have some infleunce regarding this issue, and you won't, so just drop it bro.
That's good advice, you should take it. Your logic isn't really logic, and you're gonna piss people off.
This is a Southern event being held to protect Southern Heritage, and you're just trying to rationalize your desire to make it about your own thing.
"die hard southerners"
bro a number of us are from MI and are in full support of it
Look, I see where you guys are coming from, but I'd personally prefer if there wasn't an overload of confederate flags. I have no connection to the South. If I get doxxed on TV at an Alt-Right rally, that's one thing. Getting doxxed next to a ton of confederate flags wouldn't make sense to the people in my life.
I wouldn't come to a rally up north and tell people not to fly the yankee rag. The choice is yours to come or not.
@boilerplate I am currently getting vetted for the group I think you are talking about. Road-tripping by myself is the plan for now and then staying with other IE guys.
@AltRightMick Do we come to Chicagoland and tell you what flags we'd prefer you fly?
Yeah well I ain't telling ya what to do bcuz its terrible where we live. But I have met some of the greatest goys through this flying that rebel flag so just cover that Mick puss or don't come cuz nigga we all Confederates now
This discussion has probably gone on long enough in a channel dedicated to discussing antifa. The mods have been generous with us lol
MODS ARE SLEEPING LETS FIGHT
ITT: people counter signal the rebel flag but not the swazi
What timeline is this
Lol the KKK protest was funny af when the one dude was like 'blm cool, lgbt cool, the klan cool' then professed how the cops are the real racists
Goys, juat come. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Stand strong so that the goys that don't make it will be motivated by our actions.
The "muh optics" people are still blabbing? JFC 🙍😤
I thought they were joking.
Broke: being a rainbow confederate woke: being a nazi sloke: being an agrarian national socialist and having jews as chattel slaves
So Billy Roper?
/pol/'s discord makes me want to die. Just has the mod som1 named thepooptickler.
had to vet*
I think half of it is using my grils macbook.
As far as Antifa what questions would you guys ask during a discord vet proc? or are they too lazy to fill out a txt application and upload it?
You have to ask questions that don't have a clear answer they could research
"What do you consider yourself? Why? How did you become X?"
I'll be flying the original state flag of Oklahoma!
Such a shame OK lawmakers cucked to the Indians in 1925 and adopted the current flag.
You guys should move non-Antifa related talk into <#321378710265659393>
Or other appropriate channels. We also have a channel for <#321379143067631627>
That flag...i recall having a supervisor tell me to take "the flag with pot and a bong" off of our presentation....
He was referring to the current Oklahoma flag😏
Antifa regularly employs spotters and scouts. You shouldn't be arriving at the location earlier than our permit unless you want to get swarmed by hundreds or thousands of communists.
They will probably be looking for our staging points or obvious right winfers
There will be hundreds from TWP and LoS as early as 8am
Doesn't that pose the risk of an unlawful assembly^?
Because it's outside the bounds of the permit
It's a public park
But it's an assembly of people.
The fact that it's in the public is what makes it unlawful actually
You only need a permit to reserve a place. You can peacefully assemble without a permit.
But if there is counter protestors there, we are outside the bounds of the permit, the police can shut it down before we even are legally able to assemble
^ Yeah, that's the major concern.
Giving them any reason to shut it down before our permit even begins.
You can peacefully assemble anywhere in the USA without a permit. A permit is a courtesy to the police and provides you with certain legal protections and makes the police obligated to protect you and secure the area for you. Antifa tried to occupy the rally area at a Confederate flag rally recently and it blew up in their face. The police ran their asses off and three got arrested, leading to mass doxing online. Then Antifa was totally demoralized and just started leaving within a half hour.
I remember that. It was fun. I had the best seat in the house. For a while...
In that case ...
@Narrative-Collapse the issue I'm concerned with would be the police and city(who aren't on our side) declaring the event "unsafe" and unlawful because of any sort of confrontations that may occur before the permitted time.
So essentially it's best to NOT go early. Then the police will drive them out when our time comes 👌🏻
Let's party at Wes Bellamy's house with some crosses.
The situation with the police out here is weird though
They might not remove the antifa if they occupy the park
This is going to be such a shitshow
If the police get stand down orders and our whole mob shows up and antifa is occupying the park there's going to be an all out brawl.
The police are outnumbered, if they don't control things this could potentially turn into a full on riot
What's the saying? "Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face."
The cover of cville weekly is about how the police are trying to earn the trust of the community after the whole kkk thing. Which I read as appeasing the local cry baby leftists.
I just hope this whole thing goes smoothly.
There will be 8 squadrons of police. They wont be outnumbered by much
There's a somewhat pozzed, yet still great man I think of in situations like this...
He was clearly channeling Francisco Franco.
@Whiskey Sierra - VA#9883 ```If the police get stand down orders and our whole mob shows up and antifa is occupying the park there's going to be an all out brawl.``` good, bring it on.
As I said earlier, antifa or not. I will be entering lee park
If you're concerned about Antifa showing up and being violent, flood the internet with memes about how great it is going to be when dozens of Antifa are hauled off to Albemarle County Jail and join the list of 22 Antifa/BLM who have already been charged with crimes