Yeah but women don't operate like males

Good women can be led very much astray

*moment of silence*

All he needed to do was write (((America))) instead of America. I mean, we all know what he is saying.

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been active in this server the last week. I've come down with the flu - which is making its rounds at my work - but have finished about halfway of Why We Fight, and look forward to discussing its content this Sunday.

For those who don't know, we are reading Why We Fight by Guillaume Faye. We plan to read about 50 pages or so a week and discuss what we've read and learned every Sunday.

If you have any questions or are unable to obtain a copy of the book, please send me a message!

@everyone

@CarletonJ have we selected a time to discuss? Would 10pm EST work?

Is this something you guys would want to voice chat about or just message within this channel? If we message within the channel, it allows everyone to contribute over time and saves our discussion. Doing it over voice chat may be more enjoyable but then we might lack participation.

We can do both

I definitely think a weekly voice chat would be good

Yeah, I'm thinking voice chat

put it to a vote but i am with voice (i always assumed it would be over voice)

Then it will need to be structured

So Ill talk, you all comment 😆

@Zyzz I don't think voting is necessary, because both can happen. It isn't up to me, though.

What's the time gonna be?

Im good for whatever time you guys decide. I'm not the best public speaker, is there anyone else that would like to take the lead and I could moderate to keep us on track and offer content and questions

I like both

I have a busy weekend with my local group so I cant guarantee I'll be there for voice chat but I'll definitely be checking the text discussion. 📱

"Beware of False Friends" - I'm thinking here of those de Gaulle described as 'kids jumping about crying: Europe! Europe!' talking of renaissance, but all the while defending decadent, permissive, censorious values that envisage Europe as a sort of 'tolerant' Disneyland, open to the world, an ethnopluralist pandemonium - without a defining identity, an internal order, or a will to power. The ideological lure of such discourses is great, especially if conveyed in intellectually pretentious language. It's of utmost importance, though, that we resist such pseudo-identitarians, whose conformity and craving for respectability surreptitiously camouflage multiracial and multicultural dogmas in the form of a European idea that actually dissociates Europe from her 'imperial idea.

^^Faye predictied the Alt-Lite in 2001

He sure did.

Faye is talking about Benoist and co. in that quote. The alt lite is too dumb to be accused of anything like "intellectually pretentious discourse" lol

@Neoptolemos IDK, Molyneux can be *right there*

There are a few alt lites that are intellectuals. However the vast majority are not.

The Alt lite thinks they are intellectuals and some have British accents so that's good enough for some people

Poor lauren southernites

@here so just to be clear we are reading up to "Strategic Principles"?

@Zyzz 65 pages. Up until Chapter 3.

@CarletonJ I have the ebook so pages are different. Can you tell me the title of chp 3? Is it Strategic Principles?

Let me check

@Zyzz yeah, that's where we're ending.

Thank you

Alt-Light is a good starting point. Once an Alt-Light person comes across Jared Taylor, they will be convinced in most cases.

Uncle Jared ftw.

Gee-um Fi

[pg. 15] "America may collude with forces of Islam to divide and weaken Europe for the sake of her global empire,"

[pg. 18] "This mandate, as the world's sole superpower, successor of Rome, would lead it to wage 'humanitarian wars' (Serbia, Kosovo, Iraq, etc.) in the name of its disordering global nomos; to enthrone the abstract, disembodied 'human rights' everywhere at the expense of historic and customary rights; to prevent all regulation of High Finance or Wall Street, and to use its vast powers to uphold the claim that the U.S. economy (and, by implication, the U.S. itself) had evolved, as Greenspan put it in 1998, 'beyond history' (i.e., beyond the realities that once conditioned economic/political behavior); etc.

Against the Philistines of the Marxist Left (who betrayed the European working class for the detritus of an overpopulated Third World) and against the Babbitts of the so-called Right (whose one and only God is Mammon), Faye saw that the anti-European, multicultural, reality-denying forces of America’s global economic order would experience (within a decade) not just a long patch of very stormy
weather, when their fantasy projects and hyper-power plans would succumb to certain formerly-denied realities-he saw that their self-generating catastrophes, and the interregnum they would create, were about to give the ‘resistance’ another opportunity to throw off
liberalism’s death-embrace ---and, once the chaos passed, inaugurate a Fourth Age of European civilisation."

[pg. 19] "In times of indoctrinated lies and well-bred civil cowardice, the courage to tell the truth mutates into a cardinal sin, as the few who take on the challenge must share the heretics' hopeless fate of banishment."

[pg. 19]  "Should Europe not succeed in awakening its life-giving instinct for resistance, her peoples and cultures could be hopelessly lost forever."

[pg. 19]  "But which destruction, which dangers, which death really threatens Europe? Just as the legendary hydra, these threats are like a multi-headed monster. Her decline is evident in the loss of her defining values: the fading away of an attachment to her people; a consciousness of her identity, history, and ethnicity; principles of selection, merit, and excellence; organic democracy; a will to power, an ethics of honor, and a striving to go beyond the human. The dangers, on the other hand, can be seen everywhere: toadying before the watchdog America; consumerism and mercantilism behind the grotesque face of Homo oeconomicus; emasculation and the cult of homosexuality with its various shades of degraded morality, universalism, globalism and mondialism of all shades and with all prayer wheels; individualism and, as the lethal culmination of it all, ethnomasochism and xenophilia of all origins and colours. This mental, spiritual and political degeneration into death knows many languages, names and forms, and then, at the very end, it rips its mask off: the demographic decline of the White peoples, the secret implantation of Islam -which will carry out its merciless assault once its time has come - and finally the planting of a genetic bomb, whose delayed destination will inevitably lead to racial chaos and destruction.

Contrary to the suicidal opinions held by the sorcerers’ apprentices of the multi-racial heresies, the analysis made by all experts on immigration, demographics and economics are symptomatic of an ever widening gulf opening up between the clear vision of the scientists and the dementia of the dysfunctional political class. Herwig Birg, for example, the manager of the Institut fur Bevolkerungsforschung und Sozialpolitik of the University of Bielefeld, gets straight to the point: ‘Little by little we are moving this country towards the Second or Third World. I say this with conviction... Germany has much to lose - a culture admired around the world and a great prosperity which depends on this culture, and which will dissipate as the mass immigration from the Third World continues.’"

"Arguing if atheists are going to be allowed in the ethnostate isn't productive if there aren't going to be any white people left."

- me.

[pg. 20] "Fate's irony surpass the most horrific scenarios we could have imagined as the guests of yesterday mutate into the new lords of the land, and who then take charge over society."

[pg. 22] "The willingness to redefine our terms thus implies a mental readiness to begin a counterattack against the political correct tyranny's aggressions and intimidations, these being nothing but a ruse by an enemy who knows full well that the more you pervert the language of a people, the more the spirit will be distorted and its resistance weakened.

[pg. 24] "We possess, however, the highest trump - the trump of trumps, which those who are attempting to erase all traces of their own blood do not possess and never can possess. We know where we are going because we know where we came from. We possess the memory of the history that is also the memory of the mythos of our ethnos, the consciousness of an unbroken line of ancestors from whom we have inherited the most valuable of all privileges: namely, the privilege to be like them."

[pg. 24] "The time is short! The challenge is huge, yet it is from our enemies' folly that wisdom is born, from this will that life is passed on, and from this despair that hope rises: for only at the very epicentre of danger does that which saves continue to grow - provided one knows, believes and wants it."

I think this disappointment in Trump is unfounded. Anyone who has been watching the news regarding immigration trends, ICE undates, public opinion polls, etc. should be ecstatic.

If you expected anything more than what he has been doing your expectations are unrealistic.

He's holding so many doors of opportunity for us it's practically a miracle.

[pg. 29] "The worst wars are the undeclared ones. They break out quietly, like an uneasy breeze, and are the harshest, most deadly.

Europe today faces the greatest danger in her history, a danger threatening the very existence of her civilisation. For she is at war and doesn’t even know it. She may sense the danger, but refuses to see it, burying her head in the sand, like the ostrich, hoping to conjure it away.

We Europeans are rapidly and massively being occupied and colonised by peoples from the South and by Islam. We are subject to America’s economic, strategic, and cultural New World Order. The two march hand in hand. We are emasculated by ideologies of decline and by those of a facile optimism, we are menaced by a regression of culture and education toward primitivism and by the faint simulation of prosperity.

Europe is the sick man of the world. It’s obvious in her demographic decline, in her physiological devirilisation, and in the reigning ideology of ethnomasochism, imposed by politically correct censors and the controlled media. We are gnawed at from within and attacked from without. We are set upon by assailants, occupiers, and collaborators, who make up the majority of the political, media, and intellectual classes, whether of the Right or the Left. The people have yet to see it because their shopping carts are still full. And though everyone may secretly suspect that the war has begun, the majority denies it, because for the moment no one has the courage to fight it. For the moment. . ."

[pg. 34] "We should also be wary of certain spiritual, metaphysical, and, so-called ‘philosophical’ tendencies. Wary especially of those impostors who call themselves ‘theologians’ in the confines of their office... though a spiritual renewal is absolutely necessary - for the sake of Europe’s rebirth - and against materialistic narcissism, which is the primal cause of her present tragedy.

Spirituality is not spiritualism. It isn’t something to be decreed or instrumentalised, like a computer program. I’m a devoted reader of Evola, particularly of his extraordinary political and social-philosophical texts, but take heed of ‘Evolianism’ (and the even more dangerous ‘Guénonism’) that turns away from practical, tangible issues. Reflection must serve action and is not to be confused with metaphysical tautologies. I particularly address this warning to my Italian friends.

Distrust is no less warranted in respect to that artificial and instrumentalised ‘paganism’ that threatens to succumb to either a New Age disconnected from any worldly struggle, or worse, in the name of a badly understood polytheism, to xenophilia and a catastrophic ‘Love of the Other" I should add that I have...

long considered myself a pagan, fully pagan, allied to traditional Catholicism, and a friend of Hinduism, but a fierce adversary of the desert’s totalitarian monotheisms. 

A similar prudence is needed in respect to Catholic charismatic spirituality, with its enervating mysticism, and particularly its destructively pacifist dismissal of ethnicity and the will to power.

We need, in a word, to be alert to demobilising mysticisms, to a pretentious but hollow intellectualism, to easy refuge in a 'spirtuality' or 'philosophy' whose attitudes, postures, and loopholes are ultimately tangential to the resistance.

[pg. 37] "Contrary to the prevailing belief, it's not economic or military power, nor its social constitution or political independence, that in the last instance determines the longevity of a people or civilisation. These elements are extremely important, but they are part of the superstructure. The base of everything is biocultural identity and demographic renewal."

[pg. 38] "Today, as night descends on them, European peoples need to consciously see themselves as a people, for they have less than a century to save their germen and their civilisation. The Twenty-first century will be the decisive century, specifically its early decades. More than ever, the old military adage - 'vanquish or die!' - assumes its pertinence. If the generation of native Europeans which turns 20 between 2000 and 2010 doesn't act, everything will be lost - forever - as the spirit of those who built the great cathedrals is finally extinguished. East Europeans won't even be able to aid their brothers in the West, for they too are sick."

pg. 38] "The key issues facing the future won't be about financing start-ups, finding a place in the political system for women, or looking out for the 'gay community', but rather about determining the outcome of the coming clash between Europe and the Islamic world colonising her: will Europeans remain the majority of the European population; will they be able to check the dramatic degradation of the Earth's environment, etc?"

[pg. 39] "Why do we fight? We don't fight for 'the cause of peoples', because the identity of every people is its own concern, not ours, and because history is a cemetery of peoples and civilisation. We fight only for the cause of our own people's destiny. Our political activities - the most quotidian cultural or metapolitical, the most down-to-earth, the most humble activities, even in the formulation of our practical programs - are guided by the imperative of all Grand Politics: that is, by the struggle for the heritage of our ancestors and the future of our children."

We need to reorient people to the big picture and leave out less important squabbles. "What matters most at this point is a unifying ideological platform. When the house is on fire, domestic disputes are put on hold."

[pg.39] "European civilisation is gangrened with the cosmopolitanism that comes with the Western system, which it helped create, as Nietzsche saw in an earlier phase of its decay. Europe’s destiny in this sense is tragic. 

The main cause of her decline is the maturation of those Eighteenth century ideas of equality and individualism that came at the expense of our communal, national, and ethnic consciousness. Another cause is the secularisation of Judaeo-Christian universalistic and egalitarian - values. A third is the materialistic frenzy constitutive of the bourgeois spirit.

Europeans as such are themselves responsible for the ills afflicting them: the ills of the declining birth rate, Third World and Islamic colonisation, deculturation, American domination, strategic feeblemindedness, etc. They have, in effect, allowed their enemies to pollute their spirit and corrupt their body."

pg. 41] "Far from becoming a ‘planetary civilisation: a global village, the planet is today being organised into competing ethnic/identitarian blocs. The mixing of cultures and the abolition of identities are not part of the Twenty-first-century’s project. India, China, Black Africa, the Arab-Muslim or Turkish-Muslim world, etc., are affirming their identities, tolerating neither a colonising immigration nor a cultural mélange on their soil. Only our pseudo-European elites defend the dogma of a ‘mixed planet’, which is pure illusion."

[pg. 52] "Islam strives for revenge and conquest. The United States - logically from its geostrategic perspective - endeavours to neutralise Europe, whose unification threatens American hegemony and Economic interests on the Continent. To divide Europeans in order to better rule them, the U.S. endeavours to foster war and discord, it favours Islamic immigration, it seeks to prevent a European alliance with Russia and the Slavs, it keeps us under its military tutelage, and it forces us to open our markets without reciprocating, all the while pro-claiming that it’s our protector: this is the logic of America’s perverse hegemony in Europe, which the Europe of nation-states, no less than the Europe of Maastricht and Amsterdam, is unable to defend herself against, because she lacks the will to do so."

[pg. 53] "The disaster of the oil tanker Erika in 1992 reminds us that petroleum energy is the most polluting in the world. The pseudo-ecologists, however, reserve their thunder for nuclear energy, the least polluting form of energy! The reason: oil is a pillar of American hegemony and the financial basis of the Muslim states. Nuclear power, moreover, would make Europe energy independent, which is seen with a jaundiced eye. There exists, as such, an objective alliance between Trotskyist Greens, American interests, and the Muslim states."

[pg. 54]  "Fossil fuels (petroleum, coal, and gas) emit millions of tons of carbon and nitrogen oxides into the atmosphere, which cause cancer (more than the mythical radiation) and diminish the ozone layer, responsible for the greenhouse effect, which raises temperatures and causes climatic disturbances. In France alone, nuclear energy avoids emitting 78,000 tons of dust, 1.1 million tons of nitrogen dioxide, 2 million tons of sulphur dioxide, and 337 million tons of carbon dioxide, the gases that are the most polluting and the most destructive to health. Thanks to her nuclear capacity, France has reduced 70 percent of the polluting gases that come from electrical production, while the other 30 percent are emitted by gas-based motors and cars, which is more than all the waste produced by her industry! Thanks to nuclear energy, France (whose electrical production is the most advanced in the world) pollutes the atmosphere less than any of her EU partners: 6.9 tons of carbon dioxide per inhabitant, against the European average of 8.15 tons and the German average of 11 tons."

[pg. 56] "What disturbs our neo-Leftist ecologists is the objective power (military and economic) and independence that nuclear power offers Europe, as well as its technological implications. There’s a distinct logic to the Left’s struggle: weaken the European devil, censure her traditions and ancestral memories, defuse her technological and military power, smother her independence, corrupt her mores, and destroy her ethnic germen through immigration. Its anti-nuclear and propetroleum stances are but part of a concerted, multifaceted strategy to destroy the identity and continuity of European civilisation. The Left’s environmental concerns and defence of public health are simply crude, oily pretexts."

Main point is to get away from Saudi influences through energy independence. Fossil fuels cause a lot of damage, asthma, cancer, etc. Nuclear is clean until is destroys an area for thousands of years. Fusion, on the other hand, would be ideal when we figure it out.

If I remember correctly, an EMP attack could shut down electric for months, but nuclear reactors only have back up for weeks. Can they shut down in time? What if they are unattended?

Who would say 'yes'? The same gov that inspected the platforms in the gulf?

[pg. 59] "Everyone talks about the ‘new economy’ that is, the economy based on multimedia telecommunications and information services provided by the Internet, which have supposedly ushered in a second Golden Age. This magical talk, with its euphoric sensibility, simply reiterates the old progressive, scientistic illusions. In fact, it’s just another neo-liberal imposture, whose modernist hegemony is presently coming to an end. For the ‘new economy’ may well culminate in disaster.

The internet and the 'new technologies' are no ‘revolution’, but a simple evolution and, undoubtedly, one of great fragility. Founded on the globalisation of trade, techno-science, and the instantaneity of informatron, the ‘new economy’ is actually more than a century old.

Online sales, for instance, are only an improvement of the older forms of mail order sales introduced around 1850, and correspond to no structural change. Similarly, not the Internet, nor multimedia cell phones, TV networks, smart cards, the general ‘informationisation‘ of society, or genetic engineering represent a fundamental structural change, but are, rather, the ‘elaboration’ of already existing things. For none of these so-called new technologies are comparable to the real upheavals, the real techno-economic metamorphoses, that occurred between 1860 and 1960 - and completely revolutionised life and society - with internal combustion engines, electricity, the telephone, the telegraph, the radio (far more revolutionary than television), the railroad, the airplane, penicillin, antibiotics, etc. The new technologies are behind us! There has been no fundamental innovation since 1960: computers have only been reconceived, and made faster and cheaper than what already existed. In contrast, the automobile, antibiotics, telecommunication, and air travel were authentic revolutions making possible things that had previously been impossible."

@Algrin "Bailey" Bagley - PA Can nuclear reactors shut down? Yeah, you need a guy sitting in the seat pushing the buttons and changing the rods.

@John O - Fukishima was a disaster. It seems that it can't be that easy. I wish nuclear power could save us. But I don't trust the gov if they say its safe.

Gotya. Yeah, it's complicated, but you have very competent people running them (usually)

I gotta get out of here. Good talk, guys

@John O - thanks for joining us man!

20% growth forever! All else be damned! .... what could go wrong?

Thank you everyone! Goodnight.

thanks for joining us, @DCViking

The short sighted people who are making quick money now will still make money in the collapse. They make money in peace and war, ... good times and bad.

Y'all have a good night!

Thanks for joining us, @Marseille

I'm out as well. Will be here next time.

Thanks for the discussion

Nice talking to you man, thanks for contributing!

The level of discussion speaks volumes of the people we have in the movement. I very much enjoyed listening to the contributors and how they applied their digestion of the material to practical matters. Thank you to those who orchestrated today's voice chat and a huge kudos to @CarletonJ for bringing the discussion points to establish a flowing structure.

Looking forward to next weekend!

Sorry I missed the general chat gents. I was at a wake this eve.

No worries, man. We'll have another next Sunday.

AESTHETICS - According to its Greek etymology, ’that which evokes a strong sensation'. Aesthetics is linked to notions of beauty, harmony, achievement of form.

Contemporary egalitarian ideology abhors and implicitly demonises aesthetics. It associates (rightly) the will to power with discipline, which it considers morally unacceptable, ‘fascist’ in effect. This ideology opposes aesthetics to ‘ethics’ and situates itself in ethics’ iconoclastic tradition.

With the plastic arts, architecture, cinema, literature, theatre, even fashion, the ugly, the unachieved, the unformed, the most far-fetched nonsense, the shady and the watered down are now preferred to the aesthetic, which is made synonymous with a menacing ‘order’.

Since the mid-Twentieth century, contemporary arts, encouraged by the dominant ideology, have rejected any notion of aesthetics. Instead of harmony, the power of forms, the exaltation and elevation of sensation and beauty - notions of abstract ‘conceptual art’ are preferred, which becomes a pretext for degeneracy, wilful ugliness, and subsidised incompetence. Abstraction accordingly reigns, just as a jargonising meaninglessness and obscurity enthrals the intellectuals. The genuine aesthete, the authentic artist, is ostracised or marginalised -as if he were politically incorrect. Hence, the paradox of a society that strives to be ‘moral’ and humanistic, but ends up privileging barbarism, the inversion of values, and new forms of primitivism. We’re witnessing the simultaneous cohabitation of (1) abstruse ‘contemporary’ art subsidised by the system, (2) a cult which turns the ‘past’ into museum pieces, and (3) a commercial and consumerist subculture. Contemporary art has become the very opposite of avant-garde art. Its sad impostures haven’t budged for a century. It combines a dull academism, imposture, an absence of talent, and financial speculation. Instead of aesthetics, the system prefers pessimistic or suicidal values of representation, those that come from chaos and deformity, nonsense, pathological abstraction, regression, infantilism, scatology, a psychotic pornography: the exaltation of primitive forms (what the visionary Céline called ‘the tom-tom cult’ or what Chirac calls ‘primitive art”). Accompanying this wretchedness, this impotence of old men, there’s the vulgar, artificial boom of costume culture, which is to culture what costume jewellery is to jewellery.

The rejection of aesthetics is crucial to the dominant ideology. For aesthetics, at root, is aristocratic, opposed to massification and fake elites.

ALIEN - Within a given population, those who are culturally and biologically of non-indigenous origin.

AMERICANISM - Americanism is the ideological affirmation of the general domination exercised by the United States and its social-cultural model - which are seen as the apotheosis of modernity and Western civilisation.

ANTI-RACISM - In the guise if combating racism and xenophobia, this doctrine encourages discrimination in favor of aliens, the dissolution of European identity, the multi-racialisation of European society, and, at root, paradoxically, racism itself.

---ANTI-RACISM, moreover, translates into a racial obsession and contradicts itself, since it partisans deny the existence of races. In promoting open borders and dogmatically encouraging multi-racial society, anti-racists end up objectively provoking racism.

ARCHEOFUTURISM - The attitude that approaches the future in terms of ancestral values, believing that notions of modernism and traditionalism need to be dialectically transcended.

---Archeofuturism opposes both modernity and conservatism, seeing them as versos of one another and believing that modernity is backward-looking, having failed to realize either its ideals or great projects.

ARISTOCRACY - Literally and etymologically, 'the government of the best'. Second meaning: 'The class of the best'. The problem is defining the 'best' and determining if it actually governs society.

---Those who defend their people before their own interests, those who respond to real anthropological and cultural criteria: this is the criteria for defining aristocrats.

ASSIMILATION - The belief that the immigrant masses can become French or European if they renounce their cultural origins.

---All assimilation is equivalent to cultural genocide, for the assimilator or the assimilated.

AUTARKY OF GREAT SPACES - The organization of the world economy into autonomous, self-centered great spaces, in opposition to globalism's capitalist and free trade dogmas

---The autarky of great spaces is no obsidional closure, but an exercise in contingency: only those things that can't be produced domestically are imported. International exchanges are thus limited but not suppressed.

BELIEF IN MIRACLES - The general prejudice inherent to egalitarian and humanitarian utopias, as well as the philosophy of progress - which holds 'one can have everything at the same time' and that reality is no obstacle.

---Illusion of infinite development, pedagogical illusion, communist conception of solidarity illusion, illusion of immigration as a benefit, Third-world illusion, ecological illusion, and illusion of the new economy.